The disney insanity continues

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VolStrom said:
All I can say is, if any county politician allows Disney to walk away from all of their services with the expectation of those services being free, I'm shutting down their services. No water, no sewer, no electricity, no pothole repair, no roads being repaved. Disney aren't going to walk away from their multi billion dollar theme parks. Somehow Universal Studios makes it work, Lego Land makes it work etc. You're just raising a stink about a nonexistent problem.
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I think what they're saying is Disney already pays local govt for fire, police, utilities, ect and receives none of those services from them. Disney pays a second cost to provide those services themselves.

What I don't see is why those services should increase taxes on residents if the local govt has to provide them. If the taxes on citizens go up for those services then Disney wasn't paying enough to cover those costs. I'd think Disney would end up owing more in tax money for those services.
 
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VolStrom said:
Maybe because red states are sick and tired of woke politics condemning everything that happens in a red state, whether justified or not.
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I got news. Criticism is part of the process. It doesn't matter if you're sick of it. Supporting this behavior flies in the face of the constitution.
 
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VolStrom said:
Really? Who has a nonsensical battle? The vast majority of Floridians support this bill.
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The majority of Floridians are unaware of the $1.2B debt burden that could be passed down to taxpayers in Orange and Osceola counties as a result of the Reedy Creek Improvement District going away.

Luckily for DeSantis those counties are blue, but Osceola has a large concentration of Hispanic voters who primarily voted red in the last two general elections.
 
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TheDeeble said:
I think what they're saying is Disney already pays local govt for fire, police, utilities, ect and receives none of those services from them. Disney pays a second cost to provide those services themselves.

What I don't see is why those services should increase taxes on residents if the local govt has to provide them. If the taxes on citizens go up for those services then Disney wasn't paying enough to begin with.
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Or disney has been subsidizing the local coffers and allowing citizens to pay lower rates than they should have.
 
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VolStrom said:
All I can say is, if any county politician allows Disney to walk away from all of their services with the expectation of those services being free, I'm shutting down their services. No water, no sewer, no electricity, no pothole repair, no roads being repaved. Disney aren't going to walk away from their multi billion dollar theme parks. Somehow Universal Studios makes it work, Lego Land makes it work etc. You're just raising a stink about a nonexistent problem.
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So you just pass a magical Disney only tax to make up the difference (because they already pay in full all taxes that every other property owner does).

I guess maybe you could somehow amend the state constitution or tax code...I'm not sure how that would even work .

Or put 70,000 people out of work. Both seem like solid ideas.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
Disney is paying more than those other parks. They pay for those services in tax money and then they provide the services themselves or by contract. This could really screw the residents and municipalities.
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Factbox: What is the special tax designation Disney might lose?

“In practice, the arrangement gives Disney control over municipal services and autonomy when it comes to how the land is used and developed, exempting it from some regulations.

Walt Disney World paid $780.3 million in state and local taxes in 2021. Dissolving the district would mean the company could no longer finance improvements through municipal bonds, which carry tax advantages. It’s unclear what that would mean for Disney’s operating costs.

The legislation might end up increasing the tax burden on Orange and Osceola residents, who would have to foot the bill for all the services Disney pays for through the special district, including roads, fire service and water. They might also have to pick up the tab for $58 million in debt service.”
 
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VolStrom said:
So let's just treat all corporations the same then. Oh wait, that's what the Florida legislature started doing, Disney is first.
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It is the reason that must be justified. The government is punishing Disney for speaking out.


Here is a very simple question. Yes or no answer.


Is it okay for the government to punish a citizen because that citizen spoke (non-violent speech) out against the government?
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
I've noticed that about Disney. The big advantage was they could build unfettered by local bureaucracy and could safe guard the land on their own. I don't know how much building they have left to do and if they care about this arrangement anymore.
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It makes one wonder if they might call this bluff. I doubt it because Jim Bob at the local permit office would take 5 years to grant permits on an inverted roller coaster. He'd probably take 18 months just to learn what inverted meant.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
Or disney has been subsidizing the local coffers and allowing citizens to pay lower rates than they should have.
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Could be. I'm not sure what kind of taxes Disney pays for fire, police, ect.

I'd have figured local govt would have used that money for other reasons.
 
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TheDeeble said:
Could be. I'm not sure what kind of taxes Disney pays for fire, police, ect.

I'd have figured local govt would have used that money for other reasons.
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Last analysis I saw is they pay more property taxes than the next 10 largest local taxpayers combined.

They get no services in exchange. Crazy it's even being debated.
 
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VolStrom said:
So let's just treat all corporations the same then. Oh wait, that's what the Florida legislature started doing, Disney is first.
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You didn't hear about the FL Bureau no knock raid on Disney's board and execs? They're in solitary confinement right now without due process. Fox just happened to be there and filmed it. Will be on Tucker tonight. DeSantis is out of control.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
It is the reason that must be justified. The government is punishing Disney for speaking out.


Here is a very simple question. Yes or no answer.


Is it okay for the government to punish a citizen because that citizen spoke (non-violent speech) out against the government?
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I'm not playing your stupid word games, you know my stance.
 
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Ernest T. Vol said:
You didn't hear about the FL Bureau no knock raid on Disney's board and execs? They're in solitary confinement right now without due process. Fox just happened to be there and filmed it. Will be on Tucker tonight. DeSantis is out of control.
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So, because the government could have done worse to Disney that should justify this? You really must want to live in a country like China.
 
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MurphyVol said:
Last analysis I saw is they pay more property taxes than the next 10 largest local taxpayers combined.

They get no services in exchange. Crazy it's even being debated.
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How much of those taxes they pay are for services they don't receive from local govt? They pay a bunch in property taxes, but they will still pay a bunch in property taxes. Not all of that is for services they pay extra to provide for themselves.
 
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TheDeeble said:
How much of those taxes they pay are for services they don't receive from local govt? They pay a bunch in property taxes, but they will still pay a bunch in property taxes. Not all of that is for services they pay extra to provide for themselves.
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Not sure understand the question but they pay what is required of everyone else the cover fire, wastewater, etc and choose not to take it.

Their tax liability would stay the same after this is enacted and they would stop spending $100 mil per year on their private services. And Reedy's 1 billion in debt service goes over to the county.
 
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I'm not getting how this move hurts Disney. They no longer have to provide municipal services for their theme park, their taxes don't go up. How does this punish Disney?
 
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