The Flash (CW)

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BadJerry20 said:
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If anyone wants to read up on the various RFs.
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Without reading, was I right about Eobard and Hunter being the only two RFs? There were other evil speedsters, but they didn't go by Reverse-Flash, at least not that I remember.

Good and bad, these are the speedsters I remember:

Jay Garrick - The Golden Age Flash

Barry Allen - The Silver Age Flash

Wally West - Kid-Flash/Flash

Bart Allen - Impulse/Kid-Flash/Flash

Max Mercury

Johnny Quick

Jesse Quick

Iris West - Wally's daughter, named after his aunt. Wally and his family returned from the Speed Force right as I was quitting reading, but seems like she had speed powers

XS - Speedster from the future, part of the Legion of Super-Heroes

Eobard Thawn - The first Reverse-Flash

Hunter Zolomon - Not really a speedster, but the second Reverse-Flash

Inertia - The anti-Bart, I think he might have been a Bart clone or something, but I forget.

Dark Flash - A reflection of the dark side of the speed force. It seems like I recall a story about him and Jay Garrick.

Captain Boomerang II - son of the original, He didn't run at superspeeds, but it seems like he had superspeed reflexes. I think he could throw his boomerangs at superspeed.


So who am I missing, Jerry?
 
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Comic books contain lots of time travellers. The speedsters generally travel through time via the cosmic treadmill (Cisco's treadmill?). But if Wells isn't a true speedster, if he's a time traveller using future technology, my first guess would still be Metron. But Rip Hunter would be a possibilty as well. There are other time travellers, but those are the two that stand out the most.
 
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Edward Clariss/ The Rival-Original RF? Never heard of him and a guy named Daniel West. West wore black and red but is on the RF list. Thawne was a time traveler as well.
 
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Coug said:
I'll pose the question again. Why does Wells have the RF suit?
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I think that suit is from the future and has nothing to do with who is wearing it now.

Everyone seems to be missing that the RF has been seen at the same time as Wells. I have said that Wells is not the RF! IMO
 
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BadJerry20 said:
Edward Clariss/ The Rival-Original RF? Never heard of him and a guy named Daniel West. West wore black and red but is on the RF list. Thawne was a time traveler as well.
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The Rival, I think, was the original Dark Flash(a dark manifestation of the speed force) and fought Jay Garrick. Daniel West, I'm not sure of. Him I would have to look up. Thawne travelled through time via the Cosmic Treadmill, didn't he? I mentioned the speedsters used the treadmill for time travel.
 
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CagleMtnVol said:
I think that suit is from the future and has nothing to do with who is wearing it now.

Everyone seems to be missing that the RF has been seen at the same time as Wells. I have said that Wells is not the RF! IMO
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When he showed up having the RF suit we were all like, what?! Then we see that he can't run fast for long and his legs randomly give out. Neurological problem maybe?

Yep, I told Jerry that Wells was RF a while back and that he came from the future that one episode and beat himself up. :)
 
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Coug said:
When he showed up having the RF suit we were all like, what?! Then we see that he can't run fast for long and his legs randomly give out. Neurological problem maybe?

Yep, I told Jerry that Wells was RF a while back and that he came from the future that one episode and beat himself up. :)
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I beat myself all the time.
 
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Weezer said:
The Rival, I think, was the original Dark Flash(a dark manifestation of the speed force) and fought Jay Garrick. Daniel West, I'm not sure of. Him I would have to look up. Thawne travelled through time via the Cosmic Treadmill, didn't he? I mentioned the speedsters used the treadmill for time travel.
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Daniel West is from the New 52. That's all I really know about him.

I like your Metron theory but I just dont the see how that plays into Flash lore. Honestly my head is spinning thinking about Wells relationship with RV. They've done a great job keeping that a mystery even for the comic geeks.

This was a good episode. Really had me on the edge of my seat. One annoying thing about Firestorm though, is they are basically making him out to be a human torch at this point when the character has abilities far beyond that. Also Ronnie Raymon was a dumb jock who was the point man as Firestorm while Stein was in his head giving him the physics and chemistry knowledge to fully use his powers. Quite the twist on the character so far.
 
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
Daniel West is from the New 52. That's all I really know about him.

I like your Metron theory but I just dont the see how that plays into Flash lore. Honestly my head is spinning thinking about Wells relationship with RV. They've done a great job keeping that a mystery even for the comic geeks.

This was a good episode. Really had me on the edge of my seat. One annoying thing about Firestorm though, is they are basically making him out to be a human torch at this point when the character has abilities far beyond that. Also Ronnie Raymon was a dumb jock who was the point man as Firestorm while Stein was in his head giving him the physics and chemistry knowledge to fully use his powers. Quite the twist on the character so far.
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Taking it to TV, they have to make adjustments to the story. Stein is obviously the true genius, but Ronnie had to be part of the STAR Labs team to be there for the explosion that creates Firestorm. I think now that we've seen Firestorm go "nuclear", we'll begin to see his true powers develop. My opinion is Firestorm is about to get a lot more interesting.

I've read a theory someone posted on another mb that the drug Malcolm used to mind-control Thea in Arrow was a derivative of the Anti-Life Equation. Given the ALE allows for mind control, it's not out of the realm of possibility. If that's true, and if Wells were Metron, then that would suggest the creators have some plan to involve the New Gods in both The Flash and Arrow. Add in the rumor that the show creators have at least considered making John Diggle of Arrow John Stewart, then it seems like they are considering taking things to a more cosmic level at some point down the road.

So, if they are indeed considering that, given how the two shows are tied together, then Wells being Metron makes a little more sense. He's obviously dedicated to bringing about a specific future, and Metron is certainly a character that would be interested in shaping the future. He doesn't fit into Flash lore, but like I said, when bringing something like this to TV, you make adjustments. Over on Arrow, the main villain this year is Ra's al Ghul. Ras is not part of GA's lore other than the fact Merlyn was part of the League of Assassins. Ras never took a personal interest in Ollie himself. So the show creators have shown they're not above drawing from other elements of the DCU to create their story.

I'm not sayin Wells is Metron btw, I just think Metron should be on the suspect list as a possibility. Also, though I didn't read it personally, I thought I heard Metron had a role in the Crisis event DC did a few years ago. If true, maybe the writers are doing a mash-up of the original Crisis with the later one. Barry was pivotal in the first. If Metron played a part in the second, then both being involved in a mash-up would make sense.

I also believe the writers are being purposely vague on some points though, waiting to hear from higher ups what they can and can't do based off of what they plan to do with the movies. This is why I'm disappointed DC decided not to tie their TV shows into their movie projects. It would have made it so much better imo.
 
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Weezer said:
Taking it to TV, they have to make adjustments to the story. Stein is obviously the true genius, but Ronnie had to be part of the STAR Labs team to be there for the explosion that creates Firestorm. I think now that we've seen Firestorm go "nuclear", we'll begin to see his true powers develop. My opinion is Firestorm is about to get a lot more interesting.

I've read a theory someone posted on another mb that the drug Malcolm used to mind-control Thea in Arrow was a derivative of the Anti-Life Equation. Given the ALE allows for mind control, it's not out of the realm of possibility. If that's true, and if Wells were Metron, then that would suggest the creators have some plan to involve the New Gods in both The Flash and Arrow. Add in the rumor that the show creators have at least considered making John Diggle of Arrow John Stewart, then it seems like they are considering taking things to a more cosmic level at some point down the road.

So, if they are indeed considering that, given how the two shows are tied together, then Wells being Metron makes a little more sense. He's obviously dedicated to bringing about a specific future, and Metron is certainly a character that would be interested in shaping the future. He doesn't fit into Flash lore, but like I said, when bringing something like this to TV, you make adjustments. Over on Arrow, the main villain this year is Ra's al Ghul. Ras is not part of GA's lore other than the fact Merlyn was part of the League of Assassins. Ras never took a personal interest in Ollie himself. So the show creators have shown they're not above drawing from other elements of the DCU to create their story.

I'm not sayin Wells is Metron btw, I just think Metron should be on the suspect list as a possibility. Also, though I didn't read it personally, I thought I heard Metron had a role in the Crisis event DC did a few years ago. If true, maybe the writers are doing a mash-up of the original Crisis with the later one. Barry was pivotal in the first. If Metron played a part in the second, then both being involved in a mash-up would make sense.

I also believe the writers are being purposely vague on some points though, waiting to hear from higher ups what they can and can't do based off of what they plan to do with the movies. This is why I'm disappointed DC decided not to tie their TV shows into their movie projects. It would have made it so much better imo.
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Metron did play a role in Final Crisis but if I recall correctly it was just a small part and he was acting as a Watcher type character. The New God's and the anti-life equation did play a major role in the entire series. Also that story ended with Barry's return to life (and Batman' s 'death')

Overall Final Crisis was a bit of a hot mess. It was like Grant Morrison was allowed to go crazy without an editor of that makes sense.
 
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Okay, Metron theory seems to be out.

That was a great episode. I loved the ending. I want more Grodd!!
 
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Weezer said:
Okay, Metron theory seems to be out.

That was a great episode. I loved the ending. I want more Grodd!!
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Damn that episode ending! This show is so bipolar that it's annoying.

Wells isn't RF because it makes no sense.
You're crazy Coug, Wells didn't come back in time and beat himself up.
Oh wait, maybe he is RF he has the suit.
Nope, definitely not RF he can't sustain a speed run.
Maybe it's Eddie, RF walked right by him.
Maybe it's Eddie's grandfather.
Maybe it's Eddie's father, half brother, nephew, son all at the same time since he's a time traveller.
Maybe the suit is alive and doesn't belong to anybody.
Maybe while Wells isn't in his secret closet the suit and Gideon are having VR sex.
It's definitely Wells, he unmasked himself wearing the RF suit.

Either there is some kind of genius writing going on here or somebody seriously screwed the pooch.

Weezer said:
Coug, you coming around on Grodd yet? Grodd is the shiz!
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I mean, he gets some rep for snatching up Eiling I guess but ehhh. What's Grodd doing with these people he's carrying off though? The most obvious choice would be that he's killing them but he's a giant gorilla so he could have just beat them to death right then and there. He must be doing something with them.
 
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Coug said:
Damn that episode ending! This show is so bipolar that it's annoying.

Wells isn't RF because it makes no sense.
You're crazy Coug, Wells didn't come back in time and beat himself up.
Oh wait, maybe he is RF he has the suit.
Nope, definitely not RF he can't sustain a speed run.
Maybe it's Eddie, RF walked right by him.
Maybe it's Eddie's grandfather.
Maybe it's Eddie's father, half brother, nephew, son all at the same time since he's a time traveller.
Maybe the suit is alive and doesn't belong to anybody.
Maybe while Wells isn't in his secret closet the suit and Gideon are having VR sex.
It's definitely Wells, he unmasked himself wearing the RF suit.

Either there is some kind of genius writing going on here or somebody seriously screwed the pooch.



I mean, he gets some rep for snatching up Eiling I guess but ehhh. What's Grodd doing with these people he's carrying off though? The most obvious choice would be that he's killing them but he's a giant gorilla so he could have just beat them to death right then and there. He must be doing something with them.
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He a fawking genius gorilla with telepathy to boot. And he's probably experimenting on them. Grodd is a total badass!
 
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