The general USC debate thread (merged)

#152
#152
cutnitclose said:
Sorry if it has been posted... Might should have put it in NCAA, but I though everyone wouldd enjoy it as it is out former coach... Sorry again if it had been posted already

Source Leaks: Usc Placed on Major Probation | Sportales
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I'll believe it when I see it.....While I would love to see it simply because of Kiffin, I highly doubt it would happen.....Few things would make me happier though in the world of college football....Unless of course Bama got the death penalty:)
 
#153
#153
#10_Ainge_#10 said:
I'll believe it when I see it.....While I would love to see it simply because of Kiffin, I highly doubt it would happen.....Few things would make me happier though in the world of college football....Unless of course Bama got the death penalty:)
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Not sure if it is legit or not.. I had a friend call me and say he had heard it was going to get ugly for USC so I just did a quick search and that is what I found.. I am like you though..I would love to see it..
 
#154
#154
Yeah that sports tales story has been posted already and not sure sure how much stock I put in it, the same site also says Texas to join the big 10 and watch an announcement today. so if that happens I will be doing the happy dance for the USC death penalty but I am not holding my breath.
 
#157
#157
vol_in_il said:
Can't believe it should take 10 weeks to release the findings, and punishment
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Well, one of the side effects of investigating allegations is discovering new ones that haven't been made public or been addressed yet. Once the NCAA gets in a program's business, they usually find considerably more than has been reported by the mainstream media. The sheer scope of this investigation, the time taken, and the amount of paperwork spotted after the meetings leads me to believe that we only know about a fraction of all the NCAA found.

There's a mountain of information to process while writing an opinion and outlining the infractions. Also, keep in mind that the Lake case is March 5th, and Michaels may testify in open court; and that could open the floodgates even further if the sworn testimony suggests coaches, staff, and/or boosters were aware of the gifts.

The longer this takes, the worse it is for USC. If they're going to level severe sanctions (and I don't see how they possibly couldn't at this point), they'll have to support them in detail in their final report... and that takes a long time.

I see folks commenting that USC will only get a slap on the wrist; but that opinion only seems to be based on the limited knowledge of wrongdoing that we, the public, have. It doesn't account for the mountains of information seen at the meetings that none of us is privy to.

Honestly, I think they get hammered.

First, there are at least 2 sports involved... that lends itself to a LOIC.

Second, they didn't take the route that other programs in similar situations have; which is to do its own investigation and self-report the football misdeeds. The NCAA has repeatedly said, in similar cases (FSU and Bama), that the sanctions for those programs would have been significantly worse, except that the schools did their own investigations and informed the NCAA. USC did the exact opposite, and actually tried to sacrifice its basketball program for the football program; in the hope that the football allegations would get swept under the rug. In fact, in their settlement with Michaels, they even included a confidetiality clause in an effort to keep Michaels from telling the truth to the NCAA if they came asking. This is almost the equivalent of suborning perjury. So, not only didn't they investigate (even after stories were widely published in the media), report, or sanction their own program, as most other programs do when faced with allegations like this; they actually tried to hide the facts and engaged in a cover-up. I can tell you that the NCAA is never amused when allegations are handled this way; and are likely to inflict much more severe damage as a result.

I think they're toast.
 
#159
#159
I'd like to see USC go down, if for no other reason than to hang onto the belief that the kind of success they achieved could only be attained through playing outside the rules.
 
#160
#160
Of course, the other big reason being I'd like to see Kiffin get a mudhole stomped in his arse, one way or another.
 
#163
#163
If USC gets away with it here, then I'm thinking that no good team will ever really get in trouble unless their athletic director personally spikes the other teams gatorade before the games.
 
#164
#164
If they get away with it then the NCAA would have lost all control and other schools will take advantage.
 
#167
#167
I wonder if they are now looking at Fat head Yaw Yaw calling recruits on UT's cell phone and during the no contact period..
 
#169
#169
SpringBokVol said:
If they get away with it then the NCAA would have lost all control and other schools will take advantage.
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Other schools wouldn't get the same treatment. You'd better believe that if West Texas Beer and Guns University did the same thing they would have already been punished severely. This is about money any way you look at it.
 
#171
#171
I really think that the NCAA is reading the same thing we are in the media about them losing respect and not really laying any real punishment down and I think they are going to make this a statement. It is about skating through the gray areas, laughing about the secondary violations, and when they saw Kiff coming back to SC I can imagine a room full of the angry old men who have paid their dues drooling at a chance to nail Kiffin, O, and USC in one fatal whack, (no death penalty) but I do think it will be more severe than most. It will be the statement that says, We are back and if you do not follow the rules we'll get you too. So here is to hoping that the NCAA " brings the hammer down", don't forget the silence that Reggie Bush bought is being drug into a court room on march 5th and can say whatever he wants, the silence that was bought was only for ncaa investigations.......
 
#172
#172
QUESTION:
If the NCAA doesn't do much to USC and then "we" find out later in a courtroom that there was fire causing all of the smoke.................. can they come back later with stiffer penalties? or are they going to simply use only what they obtained from their own investigation?

"I'll hang up and listen"
 
#174
#174
Chargers want to keep Darren Sproles - Los Angeles Times


A deposition in a civil lawsuit against Reggie Bush has been postponed because of a delay in the arrival of legal paperwork, the attorney for plaintiff Lloyd Lake said.
Lake is suing Bush for nearly $300,000 that he has claimed he gave the former USC running back while Bush was playing for the Trojans in 2004 and 2005. Former business partner Michael Michaels settled out of court with Bush for a reported $200,000 to $300,000.
Michaels was scheduled to be deposed Friday in San Diego. But Lake's attorney, Brian Watkins, said it was postponed because an appeals court document permitting the oft-delayed proceeding to move forward would not arrive until Friday, or possibly next week.
USC last month appeared before the NCAA's Committee on Infractions in regard to allegations that Bush and former USC basketball player O.J. Mayo received extra benefits while they were at USC.
Michaels' deposition could be taken into account by the NCAA, which is expected to rule on USC's case in six to eight weeks.
-- Gary Klein
 
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