The general USC debate thread (merged)

#101
#101
Vols520 said:
Exactly there is none. USC didn't cheat. People just want to believe they did.

Pete Carroll didn't need to cheat
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I doubt anything gets proven, and I didn't see much against USC in the article, but that doesn't mean they never chated.
 
#102
#102
robvols said:
Then past athletes who played in the NCAA will be getting a huge payday for using likeness on media ads without royalties. This will cripple them and be extremely costly.
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Wait... explain this. Why would this trigger former athletes to sue for past royalties?
 
#103
#103
We are talking about institutional control here. Universities can tell agents, boosters and the like to leave the players alone, or tell the players the consequences of accepting illegal gifts.
 
#104
#104
Rasputin_Vol said:
Wait... explain this. Why would this trigger former athletes to sue for past royalties?
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A glaring weakness will be exposed in the armor and the NCAA will be viewed as a softie if they give USC a slap in the wrist despite damning evidence. This in turn will be a confidence boost for those who want to go after the NCAA. Ed O Bannon will see this as his suit is in the preliminary stages as the NCAA is not as powerful as it used to be and he can win against a giant like this.
 
#105
#105
robvols said:
A glaring weakness will be exposed in the armor and the NCAA will be viewed as a softie if they give USC a slap in the wrist despite damning evidence. This in turn will be a confidence boost for those who want to go after the NCAA. Ed O Bannon will see this as his suit is in the preliminary stages as the NCAA is not as powerful as it used to be and he can win against a giant like this.
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What evidence?
 
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#107
#107
robvols said:
The lack of institutional control is the evidence.
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What exactly do you think that they could have or should have controlled in this circumstance (i.e., Bama textbook probe is directly related to institutional control as the university controls textbooks and their distribution)? Player’s parents living accommodations are outside the scope of what an institution can control.
 
#110
#110
VolDad said:
What exactly do you think that they could have or should have controlled in this circumstance (i.e., Bama textbook probe is directly related to institutional control as the university controls textbooks and their distribution)? Player’s parents living accommodations are outside the scope of what an institution can control.
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Boosters and friends of the university. Also the players.
 
#111
#111
robvols said:
Boosters and friends of the university. Also the players.
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So you are putting New Era Sports & Entertainment into the Boosters and Friends of the university category. I thought that they were like a rogue agent or something. I did not realize that they had ties to the university. Tell me about those ties?
 
#112
#112
VolDad said:
So you are putting New Era Sports & Entertainment into the Boosters and Friends of the university category. I thought that they were like a rogue agent or something. I did not realize that they had ties to the university. Tell me about those ties?
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This is where the control of the players comes in if they don't have ties to the university. The player is still responsible of his behavior; that includes choices.
 
#113
#113
robvols said:
This is where the control of the players comes in if they don't have ties to the university. The player is still responsible of his behavior; that includes choices.
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Very True. Realizing that the university has limited control over what a player does on their own time, IMO the punishment will lean more towards the player (i.e., loss of records, forfeiture of games he participated in, etc.) and perhaps a slap on the wrist for the University (i.e., loss of post season play for 1 year, etc).

You and this thread hint that USC did something wrong and throw out vague generalities (i.e., Booster and Friends of the university, institutional control, etc). Be specific. Where or what is the smoking gun that points to USC doing something wrong?
 
#114
#114
until recently carroll allowed agents into the practices and players locker rooms. that's the smoking gun.
 
#115
#115
VolDad said:
Very True. Realizing that the university has limited control over what a player does on their own time, IMO the punishment will lean more towards the player (i.e., loss of records, forfeiture of games he participated in, etc.) and perhaps a slap on the wrist for the University (i.e., loss of post season play for 1 year, etc).

You and this thread hint that USC did something wrong and throw out vague generalities (i.e., Booster and Friends of the university, institutional control, etc). Be specific. Where or what is the smoking gun that points to USC doing something wrong?
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This is the key and what I'm wondering as well, is whether New Ear, Michael Michaels (aka Michael Pettiford), Jamie Fritz, Mike Ornstein or David Caravantes' are "boosters" as defined by the NCAA.

That is where the rubber will meet the road.
 
#117
#117
they did have that access, but so did hundreds of other people. after the bush stuff carroll changed that though.
 
#122
#122
During the 2000 season, an assistant football coach in Memphis, Tennessee claimed that an Alabama booster had paid him $50,000 to encourage one of his players to sign with the Crimson Tide. Following the NCAA investigation, Alabama received a probation from 2002 to 2006, a two-year post-season ban (2002 and 2003), and scholarship reductions.

I pulled this up about bama. How can I send this blurb to the NCAA, so they can mull over this and use this as precedence, so they can come up with the proper punishment for USC. What they (USC) paid Reggie Bush (according to reports) far out exceeds what bama did in 2000?
 
#124
#124
Dude! They dont care!!! Get over it! USC will get in zero trouble!! Book it!! Im sure the ncaa already knows about your little story. Sorry man!!
 
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