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#901
#901
As for the sand...Yes an errant shot put it there. But, if it then becomes unplayable due to course conditions that alter the nature of the intended hazard, then I would think the drop is free, especially within the hazard in a different playable location no closer to the hole. If the entire trap is unplayable, the player is not repsonsible for that and should be able to drop w/o penalty outside the trap. Interesting question. I'm gonna try to find a rule book call on this one. For casual play, I concur with GA. If you got bets rolling, I'd be more cautious.
 
#902
#902
Then again, that'd be no different than hitting into a normally dry drainage ditch, and due to mother nature is now occupied with water, same as the trap. That'd be a one stroke drop.
 
#903
#903
I just can't imagine a situation where a player hits into a hazard and then gets to drop out without penalty. In your drainage ditch scenario, if the ditch isn't marked as a hazard, then the casual water rule comes into play, and you can take relief without penalty. If it is a hazard, then you can drop out with penalty according to hazard rules.


It is way too hot to play today, so I'm going to look online to see if I can buy some more golf crap that I don't need.
 
#904
#904
On another note, I finally booked that trip to Kohler. I'll be there near the end of August. I've got tee times on all four courses, so I plan on taking plenty of balls, even though I bet they sell them there.

By the way, is there anything to do in Milwaukee? It looks like due to my travel schedule I'll be spending a Saturday night there.
 
#905
#905
cotton said:
On another note, I finally booked that trip to Kohler. I'll be there near the end of August. I've got tee times on all four courses, so I plan on taking plenty of balls, even though I bet they sell them there.

By the way, is there anything to do in Milwaukee? It looks like due to my travel schedule I'll be spending a Saturday night there.
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Go to Water street in Milwaukee, it's got restrauants, and bars. It's a pretty nice area, you could also see if the Brewers are playing their Stadium is awesome..
 
#906
#906
vol_in_ar said:
Go to Water street in Milwaukee, it's got restrauants, and bars. It's a pretty nice area, you could also see if the Brewers are playing their Stadium is awesome..
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I'll do that. I have a friend who lives in McHenry, Ill. who knows Milwaukee a little. He suggested the Water St. Brewery.

All I can think of is Laverne and Shirley.
 
#907
#907
cotton said:
I'll do that. I have a friend who lives in McHenry, Ill. who knows Milwaukee a little. He suggested the Water St. Brewery.

All I can think of is Laverne and Shirley.
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If your not worried about your cholestrol, the Water Street brewery has an appetizer, the Scotch Egg.

It's a hardboiled egg, wrapped in sausage and then deep fried.

It's actually pretty good.

Your going to love Kohler, the courses are great.
 
#909
#909
I had easily my worst round of the year yesterday, although I guess there haven't been all that many rounds. It wasn't really hard to find the problem--I hit exactly 1 fairway with a driver (I hit two more with irons.) It makes it tough when you are playing from the jungle all day.
 
#910
#910
My driver is very sick. I think it is time to go see the swing doctor for a tune up.

Shot a 94 on Sunday, hitting 1 (out of 11) fairways with the big stick again.
 
#911
#911
cotton said:
My driver is very sick. I think it is time to go see the swing doctor for a tune up.

Shot a 94 on Sunday, hitting 1 (out of 11) fairways with the big stick again.
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Be patient with the driver since you've had such a long layoff. Just keep working on tempo and solid contact. It'll come around.
 
#912
#912
BigPapaVol said:
Be patient with the driver since you've had such a long layoff. Just keep working on tempo and solid contact. It'll come around.
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I'm not discouraged, but I have hit it in the woods enough to figure that I need some help. If I were guessing, I would say that I've got a problem at the trasition which is magnified by the club with the long shaft and flat face, and it is a problem that I don't think I am going to be able to quickly work out on my own.

I am hitting my irons fairly well, and I am putting decently for me, but all of that still equals bogey golf or worse when your second shot is a punch from the trees on 10 holes per round.
 
#913
#913
cotton said:
I'm not discouraged, but I have hit it in the woods enough to figure that I need some help. If I were guessing, I would say that I've got a problem at the trasition which is magnified by the club with the long shaft and flat face, and it is a problem that I don't think I am going to be able to quickly work out on my own.

I am hitting my irons fairly well, and I am putting decently for me, but all of that still equals bogey golf or worse when your second shot is a punch from the trees on 10 holes per round.
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If you believe transition is the problem, work on tempo exclusively. Maybe think about making the club move fastest (loudest swoosh), just past impact point of the ball.
 
#915
#915
BigPapaVol said:
If you believe transition is the problem, work on tempo exclusively. Maybe think about making the club move fastest (loudest swoosh), just past impact point of the ball.
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I once read an article that suggested thinking "Fred-die" on the back swing and "Coup-les" on the down to help with tempo, and it stuck somewhere in my brain. Actually, when trying to picture what my swing should look like, I try to envision Ernie--a guy about my size with a graceful, effortless motion--but I can't make the syllables come out right. Maybe, "Eas-y Ern-ie" would work, but it just doesn't sound right.

Fine Vol said:
One of the players went to a belly putter and he said it helped him.
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It doesn't get much carry from the tee box, though.
 
#917
#917
Actually, I think I am probably dropping the clubhead at the top when I am transitioning from back to down, causing some inside-out to the swing, and resulting in push-slices or getting quick and pull-hooking it. I really don't think it is a tempo issue, but if I were sure of the problem, I'd have fixed it by now.

I've never seen "Dr-ive" hyphenated in that spot, though.

EDIT: Now that I think about it, I have been consciously trying to shallow my swing plane with the driver and fairway woods (where I also seem to have the same problems.) That might be contributing to a layoff at the top. If I play tomorrow, I'll eliminate this thought and see if it helps. I still think I could use some time on my pro's couch, though.
 
#918
#918
I think you've got a severe case of overanalysis going on. It's impossible to diagnose without seeing it, but you are describing a couple of different shots that indicate a very erratic swing path or possibly that you are moving laterally. The same swing should not be producing push slices and pull hooks.

I'd forget about manipulating your swing plane. Your plane is what it is, and playing with it is the quickest way to a train wreck of a golf swing that I can think of. Focus more on a good set up and then maintaining your spine angle and swinging around it so that you can develop some sort of consistency and find "the slot" so that you're hitting the ball with the same swing every time.
 
#919
#919
GAVol said:
I think you've got a severe case of overanalysis going on. It's impossible to diagnose without seeing it, but you are describing a couple of different shots that indicate a very erratic swing path or possibly that you are moving laterally. The same swing should not be producing push slices and pull hooks.

I'd forget about manipulating your swing plane. Your plane is what it is, and playing with it is the quickest way to a train wreck of a golf swing that I can think of. Focus more on a good set up and then maintaining your spine angle and swinging around it so that you can develop some sort of consistency and find "the slot" so that you're hitting the ball with the same swing every time.
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this I agree with. Most problems can be traced back to setup, posture through the swing, and tempo.
 
#920
#920
I have a saying in golf and it goes like this.........................................................................................FOOOUURRRRRRRRRRR
 
#921
#921
BigPapaVol said:
this I agree with. Most problems can be traced back to setup, posture through the swing, and tempo.
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I just have never been a fan of most people manipulating their golf swings and using band aid cures. When it comes down to it it's grip; alignment; stance; turn back and store energy; turn though and release energy; wave to the crowd.
 
#922
#922
GAVol said:
I just have never been a fan of most people manipulating their golf swings and using band aid cures. When it comes down to it it's grip; alignment; stance; turn back and store energy; turn though and release energy; wave to the crowd.
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kills me to hear people talking about planes and turning over the hands and such. If you're spending time thinking about that in the swing, you're done. If most of us would spend time making it simpler, we'd be better golfers.

For me, for the most part, I'm trying to hit the ball with my back shoulder, because that keeps me turning through and keeps my spine right. Also makes me focus on big muscles, loosening up the small ones to work when gravity or centrifugal force makes them. That said, I've hit one heckuva lot of balls to get it that simple. Things still go awry, but I almost always come back to that.
 
#923
#923
Best advice for any golfer.......dont take your eye off the ball til you have made contact with it. Simple but effective.
 
#925
#925
That is very similar to my prevailing swing thought . . . Turn back then stay behind the ball and hit it with my right shoulder. I have to constantly remind myself to stay back and let my body release on it's own rather than sliding through and trying to help it.

Like you said though, it's a lot easier to have swing keys when you're really not having to worry much about things like grip pressure, alignment etc because they are so ingrained.
 
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