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#16,957
Vol423 said:
They should be royally pissed.
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Well the pga tour did try and copy LIV in a sense by adding more events with greater purses. Of course that added more golf, which is why many left for LIV, and also the excluded many that remained loyal. The pga tour should’ve worked this out in the beginning like many were saying. Don’t watch the golf channel talking heads much anymore but might tune in to catch chamblee’s meltdown.
 
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#16,961
Koepka effect. He went to LIV because he was unsure about his knee injury, AND there was guaranteed money. BIG TIME money! Less stress, less pressure and play tournament golf, but much more laid back. College team type format. Without knowing anything, I'm almost certain PGA tour will not change format for tournaments. Players must play in a minimum number of events to retain PGA tour status, yet be able to schedule events as a member of LIV as well, and be a member of a team in that league. It will also be like a high money league separate of PGA tour
 
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#16,963
n_huffhines said:
I like Rory but it all seemed pretty sanctimonious.
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It was incredibly sanctimonious. The Saudis own stakes in dozens of Fortune 500 companies and have for years, and nobody cared. Yasir Al-Rumayyan, who runs the PIF, is on the board of Uber. Nobody cares. Rory's main sponsor early in his career was Jumeirah, a UAE government-owned resort chain. They aren't exactly known for their clean human rights record either.

They should have just been honest about their reasons for hating LIV, which is that it represented competition to the Tour funded by a government with unlimited funds and with no profit motive. I suppose that wouldn't have been a convincing argument, but it would have been an honest one.
 
#16,964
#16,964
My opinion is LIV was a power play all along for PIF to take over the golfing world. Luring big names was the key and using the Trump formula to bury everyone in lawsuit costs. I expect the LIV weekend format to disappear and everyone will be back in the PGA pot like before. Only now the PGA will be a global profit center largely owned by PIF. I also think Normans job is done and he will be out.
 
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#16,965
ZZ13 said:
My opinion is LIV was a power play all along for PIF to take over the golfing world. Luring big names was the key and using the Trump formula to bury everyone in lawsuit costs. I expect the LIV weekend format to disappear and everyone will be back in the PGA pot like before. Only now the PGA will be a global profit center largely owned by PIF. I also think Normans job is done and he will be out.
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He was very curiously not a part of yesterday's announcements at all, and I think Yasir said on CNBC that he informed Norman of the news right before he went on air to give the interview. I think he was nothing more than a LIV figurehead and had no real decision-making authority.
 
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#16,966
05_never_again said:
He was very curiously not a part of yesterday's announcements at all, and I think Yasir said on CNBC that he informed Norman of the news right before he went on air to give the interview. I think he was nothing more than a LIV figurehead and had no real decision-making authority.
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I hope Norman takes the high road, thinking of this merger as a success of his efforts to create an alternative tour. He has been pushing for this for the better part of 30 years. His goal has been achieved. He is one of the best players of all time. Despite only 2 majors, he is easily top 20. He won globally and was a fan favorite. He had the biggest endorsement deals before Tiger.
 
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#16,968
C-south said:
Well the pga tour did try and copy LIV in a sense by adding more events with greater purses. Of course that added more golf, which is why many left for LIV, and also the excluded many that remained loyal. The pga tour should’ve worked this out in the beginning like many were saying. Don’t watch the golf channel talking heads much anymore but might tune in to catch chamblee’s meltdown.
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Purses dont matter `on LIV tour because players are guaranteed money. Doesn’t matter whether you win or not.
 
#16,969
#16,969
ZZ13 said:
My opinion is LIV was a power play all along for PIF to take over the golfing world. Luring big names was the key and using the Trump formula to bury everyone in lawsuit costs. I expect the LIV weekend format to disappear and everyone will be back in the PGA pot like before. Only now the PGA will be a global profit center largely owned by PIF. I also think Normans job is done and he will be out.
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Norman was only in it for the money. He didnt care about the golfers, PGA or LIV. He just wanted money from the Saudis, which he got.
 
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#16,970
BernardKingGOAT said:
I hope Norman takes the high road, thinking of this merger as a success of his efforts to create an alternative tour. He has been pushing for this for the better part of 30 years. His goal has been achieved. He is one of the best players of all time. Despite only 2 majors, he is easily top 20. He won globally and was a fan favorite. He had the biggest endorsement deals before Tiger.
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If anything, he might be the biggest loser in all of this. Someone on Twitter laid it out really well - he's had a vendetta against the Tour for a long time and had attempted this once before, and finally found someone to bankroll it. Burned every possible bridge he had with the Tour in doing so. Now they've merged with the Tour, he appears out at CEO of LIV, and he's a persona non grata with a lot of people in the combined entity (i.e., everyone from the Tour).

He did play a role in helping a vision he had come to fruition, but I wonder if he'll think it was worth it.
 
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#16,972
C-south said:
They still have a purse and of course it matters. It’s like 2 events in one with 2 separate purses on top of that.
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I didn’t see that lasting much longer. PIF was only paying the players to get to this “merger” point. If the PGA could have held out longer I expected PIF to have stopped flowing the free money. But PIF got what they wanted and a handful of people got a whole bunch of their investment money. Just my opinion.
 
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#16,973
05_never_again said:
If anything, he might be the biggest loser in all of this. Someone on Twitter laid it out really well - he's had a vendetta against the Tour for a long time and had attempted this once before, and finally found someone to bankroll it. Burned every possible bridge he had with the Tour in doing so. Now they've merged with the Tour, he appears out at CEO of LIV, and he's a persona non grata with a lot of people in the combined entity (i.e., everyone from the Tour).

He did play a role in helping a vision he had come to fruition, but I wonder if he'll think it was worth it.
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Can't really argue any of this. The main reason I said, "hope he takes the high road". My fear is that he might continue his vindictive course. Surely hope not
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
Can't really argue any of this. The main reason I said, "hope he takes the high road". My fear is that he might continue his vindictive course. Surely hope not
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Unfortunately I bet the vindictiveness continues. I actually disagree that Norman was all in on LIV for the money. That was undoubtedly part of it, but not 100% of it.

I think most of the reason he did it was to get respect and admiration from top Tour players and open their eyes (as he would put it) to how the Tour was screwing them. I think what he ultimately wanted was to have everyone go "You know, Greg is right. This is such a great idea!" and come over in droves to LIV. Some did, but others were very critical. I think that is a big motivator for Phil too, although if the stories about his gambling are accurate he might have had much more practical reasons. Anybody who knows Phil well says that he has to be the smartest guy in the room, and this is part of that.

I also can't help but wonder if Norman's successful but ultimately "what might have been" professional career is a motivating factor. He wants to be remembered for changing the game (which he still did), not winning only 2 majors when he could have won about 7 or 8.
 
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05_never_again said:
Unfortunately I bet the vindictiveness continues. I actually disagree that Norman was all in on LIV for the money. That was undoubtedly part of it, but not 100% of it.

I think most of the reason he did it was to get respect and admiration from top Tour players and open their eyes (as he would put it) to how the Tour was screwing them. I think what he ultimately wanted was to have everyone go "You know, Greg is right. This is such a great idea!" and come over in droves to LIV. Some did, but others were very critical. I think that is a big motivator for Phil too, although if the stories about his gambling are accurate he might have had much more practical reasons. Anybody who knows Phil well says that he has to be the smartest guy in the room, and this is part of that.

I also can't help but wonder if Norman's successful but ultimately "what might have been" professional career is a motivating factor. He wants to be remembered for changing the game (which he still did), not winning only 2 majors when he could have won about 7 or 8.
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I loved Norman as a player. I hate that he has been so apparently thin skinned and petty in his retirement. Kind of funny that Chris Evert took him for a ride, in a jokingly manner. If you think about that timeline, bless his heart, it certainly could have been a trigger to this whole situation
 
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