The GOP and Minority Rule

[BigOrangeTrain]

What? Those are 2 different things.

Liberals beat all I have ever seen. What is so hard about standing in line, showing your ID and casting your vote?

 

[AshG]

Liberals beat all I have ever seen. What is so hard about standing in line, showing your ID and casting your vote?

Getting there can be an issue for many people. Michigan does not allow groups to provide transportation (Uber/Lyft or churches renting vans/buses) for voters who can walk without assistance regardless of the distance to the polling location.

Suit seeks to block Michigan restrictions on helping voters

 

[Orangeslice13]

Getting there can be an issue for many people. Michigan does not allow groups to provide transportation (Uber/Lyft or churches renting vans/buses) for voters who can walk without assistance regardless of the distance to the polling location.

Suit seeks to block Michigan restrictions on helping voters

So you can’t request an absentee ballot, prove who you are and vote in Michigan?
If only elections were regularly scheduled so people would know when they were and could handle their business ahead of time

 

[StarRaider]

So you can’t request an absentee ballot, prove who you are and vote in Michigan?
If only elections were regularly scheduled so people would know when they were and could handle their business ahead of time

Literally the first thing on the website.... but then again minority people don't know how to dubya dubya dubya dot according to xiden.

All registered voters in Michigan have the right to vote by mail.

SOS - Absentee voting allows you to vote by mail

 

[AshG]

Literally the first thing on the website.... but then again minority people don't know how to dubya dubya dubya dot according to xiden.

All registered voters in Michigan have the right to vote by mail.

SOS - Absentee voting allows you to vote by mail

You are correct, there are people who do not know where to find the information or do not have the ability to access it.

Also, the President's last name is Biden. Unless you've got a behavior or cognitive disorder, there's no reason to spell it wrong.

 

[NorthDallas40]

You are correct, there are people who do not know where to find the information or do not have the ability to access it.

Also, the President's last name is Biden. Unless you've got a behavior or cognitive disorder, there's no reason to spell it wrong.

Why in the bloody hell do we have to continue to treat supposedly functioning adults like they can’t take care of themselves? We already treat black people like they aren’t smart enough to manage and obtain a government ID FFS. This is ridiculous!

 

[AshG]

Why in the bloody hell do we have to continue to treat supposedly functioning adults like they can’t take care of themselves? We already treat black people like they aren’t smart enough to manage and obtain a government ID FFS. This is ridiculous!

Let's look at our Appalachian cousins. Imagine living where there's no cell service and no internet service and the only option is satellite internet that you can't afford. Do those people not deserve the right to vote if they needed to ask for a ride to the polls? Or if their church or another church offers to pick them up and take them with others in their community?

 

[NorthDallas40]

Let's look at our Appalachian cousins. Imagine living where there's no cell service and no internet service and the only option is satellite internet that you can't afford. Do those people not deserve the right to vote if they needed to ask for a ride to the polls? Or if their church or another church offers to pick them up and take them with others in their community?

They already have the right to vote. And within the context of today’s means available they have ample opportunity. Stop assuming people are idiots FFS.

 

[AshG]

They already have the right to vote. And within the context of today’s means available they have ample opportunity. Stop assuming people are idiots FFS.

I'm not assuming people are idiots. I'm examining different situations through a lens that includes lived experiences and reported experiences.

 

[NorthDallas40]

I'm not assuming people are idiots. I'm examining different situations through a lens that includes lived experiences and reported experiences.

Apparently your lens has been focused on a bunch of Amish people when it comes to technology. And even they’d be pissed at how helpless you think they are.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Let's look at our Appalachian cousins. Imagine living where there's no cell service and no internet service and the only option is satellite internet that you can't afford. Do those people not deserve the right to vote if they needed to ask for a ride to the polls? Or if their church or another church offers to pick them up and take them with others in their community?

Ok. So those people should be able to get an absentee ballot right? Fine. But shouldn’t those people have to prove resident and legal status to receive a ballot?

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Getting there can be an issue for many people. Michigan does not allow groups to provide transportation (Uber/Lyft or churches renting vans/buses) for voters who can walk without assistance regardless of the distance to the polling location.

Suit seeks to block Michigan restrictions on helping voters

At the core of this is these things are looked at as suppressing people’s ability to vote. And that’s simply not the case. It seems liberals would be completely fine with everyone voting by mail, without having to provide any identification whatsoever. Wonder why that is?

 

[AshG]

Apparently your lens has been focused on a bunch of Amish people when it comes to technology. And even they’d be pissed at how helpless you think they are.

I'm actually talking about family and neighbors on the far end of Bennie Camp Rd, and I've had this discussion with them.

My grandparents never had a television, just an AM radio in the kitchen that we used to listen to in the morning. No dishwasher or microwave until the late 1990s either. One of their neighbors had no power and no running water and would come over daily to fill gallon jugs from the faucet in the dirt room.

I know it frustrates you to high heaven that I focus on the stories and lived experiences of people more than two standard deviations below the societal mean, but someone has to. I appreciate your desire to keep the discussion focused on the matters of the overwhelming majority. I'm an outlier, have always been an outlier, my and will make sure the outliers have a voice as well.

 

[McDad]

I'm actually talking about family and neighbors on the far end of Bennie Camp Rd, and I've had this discussion with them.

My grandparents never had a television, just an AM radio in the kitchen that we used to listen to in the morning. No dishwasher or microwave until the late 1990s either. One of their neighbors had no power and no running water and would come over daily to fill gallon jugs from the faucet in the dirt room.

I know it frustrates you to high heaven that I focus on the stories and lived experiences of people more than two standard deviations below the societal mean, but someone has to. I appreciate your desire to keep the discussion focused on the matters of the overwhelming majority. I'm an outlier, have always been an outlier, my and will make sure the outliers have a voice as well.

Did your grandparents and/or the neighbor vote?

 

[AshG]

Did your grandparents and/or the neighbor vote?

I know my grandparents and the aunt who lived with them did. And I know Pa would pick up the people on the way to vote that he'd pick up on the way to church on Sunday. He took the Times and the Free Press before they were merged, so he was up on current events outside of Dunlap.

 

[NorthDallas40]

I'm actually talking about family and neighbors on the far end of Bennie Camp Rd, and I've had this discussion with them.

My grandparents never had a television, just an AM radio in the kitchen that we used to listen to in the morning. No dishwasher or microwave until the late 1990s either. One of their neighbors had no power and no running water and would come over daily to fill gallon jugs from the faucet in the dirt room.

I know it frustrates you to high heaven that I focus on the stories and lived experiences of people more than two standard deviations below the societal mean, but someone has to. I appreciate your desire to keep the discussion focused on the matters of the overwhelming majority. I'm an outlier, have always been an outlier, my and will make sure the outliers have a voice as well.

It doesn’t frustrate me, well not very much anyway. However it’s rather ridiculous to design a system for the masses and expect to cover ever corner case. And if people want to participate then they can make a damn effort can’t they? If your outliers want to have a voice perhaps they could act within the means setup to accommodate the masses and make an effort. This cuts both ways. I see no reason to cater to anybody not willing to make an effort. And even with the lack of technology you listed they still had the US Mail and newspapers. We even still get a written news paper. Your corner case examples just ring hollow as forcing accommodation by the masses capable of functioning within the plethora of means we have available to vote.

And finally… if they are this information withdrawn how in the hell do they even know who to vote for?!

 

[Wireless1]

Liberals beat all I have ever seen. What is so hard about standing in line, showing your ID and casting your vote?

The problem arises when you’re trying to vote for your dead great grandmother, then you have to stand in line again to vote for your other great grandmother

 

[McDad]

I know my grandparents and the aunt who lived with them did. And I know Pa would pick up the people on the way to vote that he'd pick up on the way to church on Sunday. He took the Times and the Free Press before they were merged, so he was up on current events outside of Dunlap.

Did your grandparents and/or the neighbor have any government issued ID?

 

[OrangeTsar]

Usually attributed to Benjamin Franklin but probably actually from Scottish historian Alexander Tyler it is nevertheless the most succinct diagnosis of our current predicament (and I think it applies to BOTH parties FWIW)……
“A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, (which is) always followed by a dictatorship.”

 

[OrangeTsar]

One of the best analyses I've read concerning the structural problems with American democracy. We're not on a good path if the GOP continues their anti-democratic ways.
The insurrection was put down. The GOP plan for minority rule marches on.

Because when I want cutting-edge and objective analysis, the FIRST PLACE I go is Mother Jones

 

[OrangeTsar]

It’s a summary of arguments against a constitutional republic and for a system of pure majority rule. All the “structural problems with American democracy” can be changed through a process that is already in place.

As many wise people have noted….the structural impediments to pure democratic rule are a feature of the American solution, not a bug. The founders as well as the populace from which it was drawn rightly feared unfettered democracy just as fervently as they feared the Monarchy from which they had just broken. In a similar way, the founders clearly saw the young nation as a compact of sovereign states, not as a system where the states are mere administrative provinces of the federal government. The arguments to abolish the Electoral College and equal representation of each state in the Senate are misguided attempts to undo the Great Compromise that allowed our Republic to be founded. We toss aside these prudent brakes on popular passion at our peril

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Because when I want cutting-edge and objective analysis, the FIRST PLACE I go is Mother Jones

It’s funny that EL and some other bash almost every news source a conservative puts up. But then they come back with mother Jones and expect it to be taken seriously.

 

[OrangeTsar]

It’s funny that EL and some other bash almost every news source a conservative puts up. But then they come back with mother Jones and expect it to be taken seriously.

Probably stumbled across the article while looking up the latest hemp weaving ideas

 

[Rickyvol77]

Getting there can be an issue for many people. Michigan does not allow groups to provide transportation (Uber/Lyft or churches renting vans/buses) for voters who can walk without assistance regardless of the distance to the polling location.

Suit seeks to block Michigan restrictions on helping voters

Again. Don’t be lazy

 

[Rickyvol77]

Let's look at our Appalachian cousins. Imagine living where there's no cell service and no internet service and the only option is satellite internet that you can't afford. Do those people not deserve the right to vote if they needed to ask for a ride to the polls? Or if their church or another church offers to pick them up and take them with others in their community?

And yet they vote if they want to without any built in excuses. So weird