The gsvol compendium thread

[gsvol]

We don’t need to help the animal radicals spread their message by using their favorite term: puppy mill.

 

[gsvol]

"The oil field is in disputed territory in between Iranian and Iraqi border forts," (A US military spokesman) said, adding that such incidents occur quite frequently.

 

[gsvol]

Seven U.S. banks were closed by regulators on Friday, bringing the total this year to 140.

I thought great leader and his minions were going to prevent such things.

To me this smacks of some sort of big time fascist style takeover.
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"FDIC is gearing up for many more failures. They will be hiring 1600 people to deal with the crisis." source (FX Business Channel)

 

[gsvol]

The epitome of a con man.

Their families, burned from their own homes by ethnic cleansing as the conflict ended, were assured it would be for just a few months until a safer place could be found.

Where is the Lame Stream Ministry of truth on this ethnic cleansing, the real story of Kosovo????

Kosovo, the new Mafioso state.

Already three years ago, a study commissioned by the German military, noted that on "the international level," Thaci is in control of wide ranging "criminal networks."

The German Foreign Intelligence Service, BND, concluded even earlier, that Thaci has commissioned "professional killers."
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Haliti is currently a member of the Kosovo Parliament's Presidium and its foreign policy committee. Years ago, the BND has accused him of being involved in organized criminal activities, particularly the sexual slave trade.

McCain Supported Radical Muslims In Kosovo.

We need to recall that the war against the former Yugoslavia was depicted by the liberal media as a worthwhile humanitarian intervention. But it was waged on the basis of Clinton Administration lies of a "genocide" being waged against Albanian Muslims in Kosovo, a province of Serbia.

In fact, the Clinton Administration's NATO war against Yugoslavia probably cost more lives than were lost in the civil war in Kosovo.

Serbian troops were forced to withdraw in exchange for an international guarantee that Serbia would retain sovereignty over Kosovo but the province would get substantial autonomy.

The U.S. agreed to that, but that agreement was violated when the Bush Administration, with backing from McCain and Democratic presidential candidates Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, recently recognized Kosovo's declaration of independence from Serbia.

Albanian muslims harvested and sold human organs from captured healthy young Serbians.

Carla Del Ponte, the ex-chief prosecutor for war crimes in former Yugoslavia, has unleashed a storm of recrimination with allegations of a trade in human body parts in Kosovo and Albania after Nato bombed Serbia in 1999.

Del Ponte claims, based on what she describes as credible reports and witnesses, that Kosovan Albanian guerrillas transported hundreds of Serbian prisoners into northern Albania where they were killed, and their organs "harvested" and trafficked out of Tirana airport.

Sometimes one kidney or other body part would be taken and the prisoner left to live for a while longer until the time they would die when other parts would be taken after which they couldn't possibly live.

Mohammed was “a psychopath, Allah was nothing but his own alter ego,” according to Ali Sina, ex-Muslim.

“Muhammad invented this bugaboo deity to fool people and ride them. Allah is no god. Muhammad was a deranged man. He concocted this whole lie to fool people.

He was no different from Charles Manson"
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Mohammed beheaded men so he could have sex with their wives (or daughters) in the same night. “He fooled his followers to such extent that one of them allowed him to sleep with his 9-year-old child.

“Muhammad had sexual feelings for Aisha when she was only 6-years-old. Abu Bakr, the history's grand fool, begged Muhammad to wait for a few more years until she matured. But Muhammad, this sick monster, could not wait more than three years and when Aisha was nine he took her to bed and entered her in the same forenoon.

Muhammad was not a human. He was the most evil creature who ever walked on this planet.”
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There are over a billion mortals on the planet who regard Mohammed as the righteous prophet of a “peace religion.” Has the world population lost its mind totally?

Much of the Muslim population is ignorant of the truth regarding their cult.
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What the sane, civilized world faces today is a threat far greater than Nazism. This Islamic cultic spread has 1400 years backing it.
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Presently, realizing the cult known as "Islam, " it is the old confrontation of good versus bad, righteousness versus evil, God versus Satan. It is not a new conflict. It is the same warring that has gone on for centuries but now garbed in Muslim fanaticism.

The worst a free person can do is to tolerate that which is the enemy attempting to overthrow our republic.
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Don’t try to rationalize its legitimacy.

Don’t try to accept Islam as a religion among world religions.

Clinton-Approved Iranian Arms Transfers, Helped Turn Bosnia into Militant Islamic Base.

The Clinton Administration's policy of facilitating the delivery of arms to the Bosnian Muslims made it the de facto partner of an ongoing international network of governments and organizations pursuing their own agenda in Bosnia: the promotion of Islamic revolution in Europe.

Nice move, now we have Iranian missiles in place to strike central Europe, I hope I don't smell another Cuban missile crisis.

Quran Surah 2: The Cow

1. Don't bother to warn the disbelievers. Allah has blinded them. Theirs will be an awful doom.

2. Those who disbelieve will be fuel for the Fire.

Quran Surah 7: The Heights

1. How many a township have We destroyed! As a raid by night, or while they slept at noon, Our terror came unto them.

 

[gsvol]

Groundspeed check, last training sortie. (Unknown pilot is Maj Brian Shul ret.)

"How slow can an SR-71 go?" December 20, 2009.
(Originally published in "Plane and Pilot" magazine, I can't get a link to the original article, here it is

As a former SR-71 pilot, and a professional keynote speaker, the question I'm most often asked is "How fast would that SR-71 fly?" I can be assured of hearing that question several times at any event I attend. It's an interesting question, given the aircraft's proclivity for speed, but there really isn’t one number to give, as the jet would always give you a little more speed if you wanted it to. It was common to see 35 miles a minute. Because we flew a programmed Mach number on most missions, and never wanted to harm the plane in any way, we never let it run out to any limits of temperature or speed. Thus, each SR-71 pilot had his own individual “high” speed that he saw at some point on some mission. I saw mine over Libya when Khadafy fired two missiles my way, and max power was in order. Let’s just say that the plane truly loved speed and effortlessly took us to Mach numbers we hadn’t previously seen.

So it was with great surprise, when at the end of one of my presentations, someone asked, “what was the slowest you ever flew the Blackbird?” This was a first. After giving it some thought, I was reminded of a story that I had never shared before, and relayed the following.

I was flying the SR-71 out of RAF Mildenhall, England, with my back-seater, Walt Watson; we were returning from a mission over Europe and the Iron Curtain when we received a radio transmission from home base. As we scooted across Denmark in three minutes, we learned that a small RAF base in the English countryside had requested an SR-71 fly-past. The air cadet commander there was a former Blackbird pilot, and thought it would be a motivating moment for the young lads to see the mighty SR-71 perform a low approach. No problem, we were happy to do it. After a quick aerial refueling over the North Sea, we proceeded to find the small airfield.

Walter had a myriad of sophisticated navigation equipment in the back seat, and began to vector me toward the field. Descending to subsonic speeds, we found ourselves over a densely wooded area in a slight haze. Like most former WWII British airfields, the one we were looking for had a small tower and little surrounding infrastructure. Walter told me we were close and that I should be able to see the field, but I saw nothing. Nothing but trees as far as I could see in the haze. We got a little lower, and I pulled the throttles back from 325 knots we were at. With the gear up, anything under 275 was just uncomfortable. Walt said we were practically over the field—yet; there was nothing in my windscreen. I banked the jet and started a gentle circling maneuver in hopes of picking up anything that looked like a field. Meanwhile, below, the cadet commander had taken the cadets up on the catwalk of the tower in order to get a prime view of the fly-past. It was a quiet, still day with no wind and partial gray overcast. Walter continued to give me indications that the field should be below us but in the overcast and haze, I couldn’t see it. The longer we continued to peer out the window and circle, the slower we got. With our power back, the awaiting cadets heard nothing. I must have had good instructors in my flying career, as something told me I better cross-check the gauges. As I noticed the airspeed indicator slide below 160 knots, my heart stopped and my adrenalin-filled left hand pushed two throttles full forward. At this point we weren’t really flying, but were falling in a slight bank. Just at the moment that both afterburners lit with a thunderous roar of flame (and what a joyous feeling that was) the aircraft fell into full view of the shocked observers on the tower. Shattering the still quiet of that morning, they now had 107 feet of fire-breathing titanium in their face as the plane leveled and accelerated, in full burner, on the tower side of the infield, closer than expected, maintaining what could only be described as some sort of ultimate knife-edge pass.

Quickly reaching the field boundary, we proceeded back to Mildenhall without incident. We didn’t say a word for those next 14 minutes. After landing, our commander greeted us, and we were both certain he was reaching for our wings. Instead, he heartily shook our hands and said the commander had told him it was the greatest SR-71 fly-past he had ever seen, especially how we had surprised them with such a precise maneuver that could only be described as breathtaking. He said that some of the cadet’s hats were blown off and the sight of the plan form of the plane in full afterburner dropping right in front of them was unbelievable. Walt and I both understood the concept of “breathtaking” very well that morning, and sheepishly replied that they were just excited to see our low approach.

As we retired to the equipment room to change from space suits to flight suits, we just sat there-we hadn’t spoken a word since “the pass.” Finally, Walter looked at me and said, “One hundred fifty-six knots. What did you see?” Trying to find my voice, I stammered, “One hundred fifty-two.” We sat in silence for a moment. Then Walt said, “Don’t ever do that to me again!” And I never did.

A year later, Walter and I were having lunch in the Mildenhall Officer’s club, and overheard an officer talking to some cadets about an SR-71 fly-past that he had seen one day. Of course, by now the story included kids falling off the tower and screaming as the heat of the jet singed their eyebrows. Noticing our HABU patches, as we stood there with lunch trays in our hands, he asked us to verify to the cadets that such a thing had occurred. Walt just shook his head and said, “It was probably just a routine low approach; they’re pretty impressive in that plane.” Impressive indeed.

Little did I realize after relaying this experience to my audience that day that it would become one of the most popular and most requested stories. It’s ironic that people are interested in how slow the world’s fastest jet can fly. Regardless of your speed, however, it’s always a good idea to keep that cross-check up…and keep your Mach up, too.

Another story, scoping Ghadaffi in Libya.

Book; "Sleddriver" by Major Brian Shul, USAF.

 

[jackaro]

Thanks for this post. I have been fascinated by the SR-71 since I was 13, and the fly by of the British base was great. I actually got to see an SR-71, almost close enough to touch it, at an airplane museum in the South West. I wish I could remember the name, or even the state it was in so I could recommend it to everyone. It was a great experience.

 

[gsvol]

Thanks for this post. I have been fascinated by the SR-71 since I was 13, and the fly by of the British base was great. I actually got to see an SR-71, almost close enough to touch it, at an airplane museum in the South West. I wish I could remember the name, or even the state it was in so I could recommend it to everyone. It was a great experience.

I'm a USAF veteran, never got to see one, I did listen to a Mig-17 pilot ask and receive permission to shoot down a U-2 over Siberia, he ended up a disapointed jet jockey, I also listened to a jet jocky ask and receive permission to shoot down a C-130 intelligence plane over the White Sea and he was succesful, meaning 13 American airmen lost their lives even though they were over international waters.

Few remerber the slogan; "remember the Pueblo,' even fewer remember that another 13 airmen lost their lives during that incident, shot down over international waters.

Kelly Johnson is/was one heck of a man.

 

[gsvol]

Thanks for this post. I have been fascinated by the SR-71 since I was 13, and the fly by of the British base was great. I actually got to see an SR-71, almost close enough to touch it, at an airplane museum in the South West. I wish I could remember the name, or even the state it was in so I could recommend it to everyone. It was a great experience.

High Flight

Oh! I have slipped the surly bonds of Earth
And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings;
Sunward I've climbed, and joined the tumbling mirth
Of sun-split clouds, — and done a hundred things
You have not dreamed of — wheeled and soared and swung
High in the sunlit silence. Hov'ring there,
I've chased the shouting wind along, and flung
My eager craft through footless halls of air. . . .

Up, up the long, delirious burning blue
I've topped the wind-swept heights with easy grace
Where never lark, or ever eagle flew —
And, while with silent, lifting mind I've trod
The high untrespassed sanctity of space,
Put out my hand, and touched the face of God.

John Gillespie Magee, Jr

 

[gsvol]

Becase they are a bunch of lame brained fruitcakes.

 

[gsvol]

Went there from Afghanistan just before 9/11.

 

[Oldvol75]

Went there from Afghanistan just before 9/11.

Is this another reason to bomb Iran?

 

[shootermcgavin7]

And because they fund domestic terrorists who fire-bomb medical research facilities.

USDA lists them as a domestic terror group.

 

[gsvol]

And because they fund domestic terrorists who fire-bomb medical research facilities.

USDA lists them as a domestic terror group.

Alas an ally.

(we probably agree on more than we think, I read one of your replies to me in another thread and thought, either my communication skills or nil or your reading comprehension is retarded.) I'll readily admit my communication skills could use some work.

I've been battling these freaks of nature for over forty years.

Their political/theological philosophy is on par with that of Charles Manson.

The only society to enact the stringent animal rights laws they desire is Nazi Germany and we can all pretty much agree on how that social experiment turned out.

Sadly America has gone way too far down that road already.

Not too long ago the FBI listed them as the number one domestic terrorist threat.

If you have the time and since we agree, let's try to keep this thread going for a while, there is a world of information that most people don't know that I would like to bring out.

BTW, they attempt to terrorize many more than just the medical research people, they have burned down feed stores with people sleeping inside etc.

We as a nation have turned over 3 or 400 hundred years of common law by elevating crimes against animals to felony status.

Traditionally a felony offense is only meeted out to those who commit crimes against fellow humans.

 

[shootermcgavin7]

Alas an ally.

(we probably agree on more than we think, I read one of your replies to me in another thread and thought, either my communication skills or nil or your reading comprehension is retarded.)

I think the problem is that my political views are agnostic (I generally don't have one), so I piss off Democrats, Republicans, and Libertarians alike.

No party hack likes me, which is a disadvantage on heavily partisan message boards.

 

[gsvol]

Is this another reason to bomb Iran?

Patraeus caused quite a flap in the middle east recently when he said the UAE air force would totally take out the Iranian air force in less than two days.

I'm thinking if their is another major terrorist act in America we should nuke Mecca during the hadj.

Then have crop dusters spray pig fat accross Palestine, Syria, Hizbollah occupied areas of Lebanon, Libya, Algeria and other selected areas til we run out of pig fat.

If we run out of pig fat then we could spray peanut oil and tell them it was pig fat!!

 

[gsvol]

I think the problem is that my political views are agnostic (I generally don't have one), so I piss off Democrats, Republicans, and Libertarians alike.

No party hack likes me, which is a disadvantage on heavily partisan message boards.

I'm a founding member of the "Party" party, one of our platform planks is; "save the rainforests, make mental notes."

That plank wasn't reactionary, we had that plank forty years before the ehtanol mandate which has caused the destruction of more Brazilian rainforests than anything else ever and will continue to do so since corn quickly depletes nitrogen in the soil and rain forest soil isn't suited for growing grains anyway so that means more destruction.

Jacksonian Democrats were all right, the Republican party of Lincoln wasn't all bad but today democrats are flaming socialists who well fit their mascot, they fit the image of a braying jackas to a t, republicans should change their mascot though, an elephant that can't seem to remember crap?, must be alzheimers, they act like they don't understand the lessons of history at all, they should change it to a jellyfish since they seem so spineless when it comes to opposing to the donkeys.

Since JFK got killed I've written in Pat Paulsen and Foster Brooks in every election except when it was Carter vs Reagan and I wrote in Mickey and Mighty Mouse. I got so many people to write in Mickey Mouse that year that they changed the rules of poll reporting, always before that they reported write ins which are still legal although Democrats are making moves to make it illegal, now polls don't report results to the media unless a candidates name is on the ballot. Covering up dissatisfaction at grass roots level is sort of like a cat in a sand box and we are the sand.

(I was however favorably impressed with Reagan in a lot of ways and disappinted in some but he did stick to what he said instead of telling me one thing and then doing another as is often the case if he could have had a republican (real repuplicans not rinos) majority congress he might have put America back on solid footing.)

I think one of the monitors must be a scarabean, it seems we won't have a separate thread topic about anti animal rights realities, maybe you could start one yourself, I will sure as all hell contribute liberally.

Anyway touching on some things you and I have been discussing:

Bottom line, SS is running in the red.

From May through October inclusive, Social Security’s outgoing payments have exceeded incoming program revenue, generated mostly by the payroll tax (with a smaller amount coming in via the taxation of benefits).

When a cash-deficit situation develops during a period that the program is still technically solvent, full benefits continue to be paid. The operational deficit is effectively made up with general revenues, putting additional strain on a sagging federal budget.
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The rising debt that the Trust Fund holds can perhaps best be understood by conceptualizing it as being like a mortgage owed by the federal government, albeit an unusual kind of mortgage in which no cash payments are made by the borrower (the federal government) until the lender (Social Security) needs money.

As long as Social Security’s own incoming tax revenue is sufficient to fund its benefit payments, the government is not required make any payments on the mortgage.

When Social Security’s incoming tax revenue falls short, however, the government needs to produce extra cash and start paying that mortgage off. The mortgage debt will continue to grow, however, as long as the interest on the debt is greater than the monthly cash payments being made.

I don't know if I will ever find it again but I have read a very good outline of what happened with SS since it's inception listing every major change. I would say internal rules for computing benefits has changed without that ever being made public, I compute my generation draws about 33% less than the great generation and I don't begrudge them that but feel cheated and fear future generations will be cheated even more.

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I notice the thread on 'what is happening in banking' today has been stuck in this thread as well.

This is probably the most important topic to everyone who posts or reads here imo. Anyone who thinks otherwise should ask Santa for a clue for Christmas.

Market analyst who predicted the recession of '08 back in '06 says that 2012 will be a bugger bear year.

Drinking the poisin.

The next worldwide crisis will probably strike in 2012, driven by inflation as the low cost of borrowing spurs increases in asset prices,

BHO is pursueing the same policies as FDR, the same thing happened to FDR as this analysist predicts.

“The policy consensus to prop up the global economy with stimulus will continue until inflation takes off or governments are broke,” ....... “This strategy is too expensive to last.”

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The root cause of the problem??

Thomas Jefferson.

“If a Central Bank is ever created in America- Through Inflation and Deflation the 'Bankers' will Rob The American people”

This is the Truth-The Bankers created the S&L crisis and eliminated the competition and They created the Sub-prime crisis (The Banks create the product not the Loan-Brokers) and will eliminate the Loan Brokers.And have already procured the Treasury-and Federal Reserves’ approval and the Supreme court confirmation to go into Real Estate and as The now deceased “George Thatcher” ( Thatcher who started Sterling S&L and build it into Union bank and sold it to Barclays -Who sold it to a Japanese Financial concern) told me - The Bankers tried this in the depression.

As the “Movie” ” A Wonderful Life” with Jimmy Stewart depicts” only this time the “Jimmy Stewarts of America” lose. Due to a ignorant Senate / Congress /and Public all to willing to buy the (BS) -That the Loan Brokers did it. And this way (With only the Banks left) the Public will save money with No competition (Wrong).
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The Truth is the Loan Brokers (were pawns) and for the most part made a living and sold their Loans to the big Banks who were not at this point controlled by Respa and resold the Loans at Multiple profits to the (GSEs). Compare the Loan-Brokers commissions with the Bankers. "The BANKERS HAD THEIR HIGHEST PROFIT in HISTORY” from 1999-2006 and now are crying “Wolf” .

Before the federal reserve

We had absolutely no national debt, had the largest middle class in the world, and Mom stayed home to raise the kids.

Read what Pres. Andrew Jackson Pres. Thomas Jefferson and Pres. George Washington thought of the Central Bankers.

Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago,

Accounts Receivable Tax

Building Permit Tax

CDL License Tax

Cigarette Tax

Corporate Income Tax

Dog License Tax

Federal Income Tax

Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)

Fishing License Tax

Food License Tax

Fuel Perm it Tax

Gasoline Tax

Hunting License Tax

Inheritance Tax

Inventory Tax

IRS Interest Charges (tax on top of tax),

IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax),

Liquor Tax,

Luxury Tax,

Marriage License Tax,

Medicare Tax,

Property Tax,

Real Estate Tax,

Service charge taxes,

Social Security Tax,

Road Usage Tax (Truckers),

Sales Taxes,

Recreational Vehicle Tax,

School Tax,

State Income Tax,

State Unemployment Tax (SUTA),

Telephone Federal Excise Tax,

Telephone Federal Universal Service Fee Tax,

Telephone Federal, State and Local Surcharge Tax,

Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge Tax,

Telephone Recurring and Non-recurring Charges Tax,

Telephone State and Local Tax,

Telephone Usage Charge Tax,

Utility Tax,

Vehicle License Registration Tax,

Vehicle Sales Tax,

Watercraft Registration Tax,

Well Permit Tax,

Workers Compensation Tax..

STILL THINK THIS IS FUNNY?

One funny thing about one of those telephone taxes, an old guy I know refused to pay one, he called it the Gore tax, a tax that Gore just arbitrarily mandated without authority to do so, it was $5 a month, at any rate the old guy would pay his phone bill each month with a note stating he refused to pay that tax and they would add it on to his bill the next month but never threatened to cut his phone off, he has now passed away but the last time I checked that tax bill was up to $75.

Our own ignorace is our worst enemy, it's worse than Al Gore or Barack Obama or many things, not the least of which is apathy. :hi:

 

[Oldvol75]

Patraeus caused quite a flap in the middle east recently when he said the UAE air force would totally take out the Iranian air force in less than two days.

I'm thinking if their is another major terrorist act in America we should nuke Mecca during the hadj.

Then have crop dusters spray pig fat accross Palestine, Syria, Hizbollah occupied areas of Lebanon, Libya, Algeria and other selected areas til we run out of pig fat.

If we run out of pig fat then we could spray peanut oil and tell them it was pig fat!!

Thats why if I ever have to fly again I will do so with an open pack of bacon!

 

[gsvol]

Thats why if I ever have to fly again I will do so with an open pack of bacon!

k:

I say a good BLT beats those cheap airline peanuts any day!!

 

[gsvol]

Chavez in recent years has nationalised dozens of foreign-owned companies and sometimes entire sectors of the economy, including cement firms, coffee companies and oil services firms.

21st century socialist vehicle.

Rustic vehicle.

 

[shootermcgavin7]

Bottom line, SS is running in the red.

We knew that was going to happen almost three decades ago. It is pure demographics. It is no different than how an individual operates, when you get really old, your cash inflows are lower than your outflows. Assuming you saved properly, this is not problematic.

This was why the government attempted to save for it three decades ago. The very problematic part is that they invested the savings with themselves.

On a related note, I'm curious what the macrofinance effect is going to be when all of the baby boomers disinvest their retirement from the stock market.

 

[gsvol]

We knew that was going to happen almost three decades ago. It is pure demographics. It is no different than how an individual operates, when you get really old, your cash inflows are lower than your outflows. Assuming you saved properly, this is not problematic.

This was why the government attempted to save for it three decades ago. The very problematic part is that they invested the savings with themselves.

On a related note, I'm curious what the macrofinance effect is going to be when all of the baby boomers disinvest their retirement from the stock market.

No they spent the money themselves thinking only they would recoup the funds by taxing future citizens.

The head of the Grace Commission that studied the problem at the behest of President Ronald Reagan called what was happening to be:

"Intergenerational rape!!"

 

[shootermcgavin7]

The head of the Grace Commission that studied the problem at the behest of President Ronald Reagan called what was happening to be:

"Intergenerational rape!!"

I think we are talking about two different things.

Reagan signed the bill I am referring to. In 1983. It was designed by a Democratic congress and an executive-branch led commission headed up by Greenspan to extend SSI's solvency. They raised SSI taxes THEN to pay for the same peoples' retirements NOW. The idea was to make SSI "save" for the future shortfall. Everyone knew a future shortfall was looming.

To echo the prior post, it is the same way where you and I, at the age of 89, will likely be spending more in consumption than we are earning from working..............This is possible because we are spending less than we earn now.

 

[gsvol]

I think we are talking about two different things.

Reagan signed the bill I am referring to. In 1983. It was designed by a Democratic congress and an executive-branch led commission headed up by Greenspan to extend SSI's solvency. They raised SSI taxes THEN to pay for the same peoples' retirements NOW. The idea was to make SSI "save" for the future shortfall. Everyone knew a future shortfall was looming.

To echo the prior post, it is the same way where you and I, at the age of 89, will likely be spending more in consumption than we are earning from working..............This is possible because we are spending less than we earn now.

The point Grace was making though that the federal government had stolen SS funds and spent them, meaning future generations would be cheated.

GW Bush tried to do something, anything to avert the colapse of SS but was blocked by Democrats in Congress.

I wonder just what they think may be the solution to that problem.

Especially before taking control of the nation's healthcare.

I remind you, the Social Security program originally was Social Security Insurance and NOT Social Security Tax.

Big difference.

 

[gsvol]

Led by Aksa Martyrs Brigades.

 

[shootermcgavin7]

GW Bush tried to do something, anything to avert the colapse of SS but was blocked by Democrats in Congress.

And what bill did he propose?

I remind you, the Social Security program originally was Social Security Insurance and NOT Social Security Tax.

Big difference.

Kindly explain the difference. Is insurance normally free?