The Impeachment Thread

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MontyPython said:
So the President is breaking the law for the sole purpose of rigging the election. And your solution to "fix" this is to... hold a rigged election.

*sigh*

Again. Please explain how this would change material facts uncovered after the WB reported it.
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Election wasn't rigged. Trump didn't get his investigation, did he? And like I said, unethical, but not to the levels of removal from office. Steele Dossier was unethical as well, but the left funded it and pranced it about. Both sides are guilty of unethical behavior. It's just sad that people like Mick can't admit to it. All because Trump hate. Hate is not a valid reason for impeachment.

The funny thing is, the left, and they won't admit it, is trying to not only undo the last election, but rig the next election in their favor by impeaching Trump for invalid reasons. At the very least, they should have found something worthy, but I'm guessing they couldn't so they ran with this weak ass accusation.
 
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Mick said:
You're pounding the table for the public ouster of the whistleblower like a good sheep.
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Reading comprehension is not your friend. Saying I said something I clearly didn't when people can read back and see for themselves is even more foolish than you normally are.
 
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Mick said:
As pointed out it's not a judicial process and that is why Trump is hiding behind the Senate GOP trying to publically out the whistleblower and rejecting fact and firsthand witnesses and documents. But yes if I was a partisan bleating sheep I would be calling for the identity of the whistleblower too..
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Impeachment is not a political tool to be used when you don't like the outcome of an election. That's what the left has done and it's ridiculous. But don't worry, when the right does it to a Dem, I'll still think it ridiculous. Of course I'll also remind you that the left started it with this. You guys never want to face the truth.

You don't have to say "if". You've done a good job proving you're a partisan sheep. Baaaaa.
 
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Weezer said:
Election wasn't rigged. Trump didn't get his investigation, did he? And like I said, unethical, but not to the levels of removal from office. Steele Dossier was unethical as well, but the left funded it and pranced it about. Both sides are guilty of unethical behavior. It's just sad that people like Mick can't admit to it. All because Trump hate. Hate is not a valid reason for impeachment.

The funny thing is, the left, and they won't admit it, is trying to not only undo the last election, but rig the next election in their favor by impeaching Trump for invalid reasons. At the very least, they should have found something worthy, but I'm guessing they couldn't so they ran with this weak ass accusation.
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There is no such thing as undoing an election. Talk about a weak ass argument and bleating talking points.
 
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Mick said:
There is no such thing as undoing an election. Talk about a weak ass argument and bleating talking points.
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Aren'y you the one who proposed impeaching Trump and Biden, leaving Nancy to be President? Even tongue in cheek, it expresses your desire to undo the election.
 
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Mick said:
Freudian slip?
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Eh, you know what I meant. You're guided by your political leanings. You think everyone else must be as well. And while some are, not everyone is. I don't like Trump, but what the Dems are attempting to do is wrong. This isn't about what Trump tried to do. This is about the left not being able to stand Trump. And they're terrified he'll win again in 2020. What Trump tried to do was unethical, but not impeachable. And I would say the same if it were a Dem facing such nonsense. And you would too.
 
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Weezer said:
Election wasn't rigged. Trump didn't get his investigation, did he? And like I said, unethical, but not to the levels of removal from office. Steele Dossier was unethical as well, but the left funded it and pranced it about. Both sides are guilty of unethical behavior. It's just sad that people like Mick can't admit to it. All because Trump hate. Hate is not a valid reason for impeachment.

The funny thing is, the left, and they won't admit it, is trying to not only undo the last election, but rig the next election in their favor by impeaching Trump for invalid reasons. At the very least, they should have found something worthy, but I'm guessing they couldn't so they ran with this weak ass accusation.
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The impeachment will "undo the last election" argument really has no validity whatsoever. By that logic, ANY impeachment proceeding is wrong.

I subscribe to the view that if this abuse of power is not impeachable, then nothing is, really.

The net-net here when the GOP votes to support Trump is a weakening of our checks and balances. It's not a good thing.
 
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House didn't do it's job, or seem to know how to actually do it's job. Or, didn't care enough to follow protocol, and even passed it's own new rule for the 116th Congress to subjugate it...........

House of Rep's subpoenas were invalid, legally. (Philbin and lack of authorization for House subpeoans)

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-conte...l-Memorandum-of-President-Donald-J.-Trump.pdf

On the charge that the President lacked “lawful cause or excuse” to resist House Democrats’ subpoenas........

They (House of Representatives) never authorized an impeachment inquiry to obtain subpoenas, they cannot issue subpoenas unless they have enabling authorization from the House........after Trump counsel said not getting anything, they realized when Kuppperman filed his action they screwed up, so, they now authorized impeachment inquiry, and then, never retro actively said they were valid, and never issued them as new ones either.

Supposedly this is basic Supreme Court law/ruling that says a House committee cannot just start go issuing subpoenas unless they have enabling authorization from the House........

So, what is a counter response in terms of the "law".

Trump’s Defense Against Subpoenas Makes No Legal Sense

Reading the article, it seems this entire argument counter to Philbin is forgetting the one simple bueracratic-on the book way to do things to continue on with this supposed granted power was to follow the SOP, and they didn't. Similar to getting off on a technicality for some crime, police or attorney's screwed up, and thus, it's invalid.

Mr. Philbin argues that the Constitution literally means impeachment belongs to the whole House while House Democrats have argued that the rules they passed for the 116th Congress rendered such a separate vote unnecessary.

So, they can pass this and invalidate Supreme Court rulings....for sole purpose of...........

You attorneys on here like to expound? Seemingly, the simple procedure is what is important, and regardless of what validation the Dem's in the House feel they have, or might have, or do have, they didn't follow the simple operating procedure, which, like it or not, means the case and foundation for the case are null and void as something as simple as following protocol derails it's legitimacy regardless of any current 116th Congress rule to invalidate it......?

Genuinely interested in discussion/responses so please try and keep it to topic of this concept above. All respondents back and forth try and be nice and civil and no name calling.......
 
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Weezer said:
Eh, you know what I meant. You're guided by your political leanings. You think everyone else must be as well. And while some are, not everyone is. I don't like Trump, but what the Dems are attempting to do is wrong. This isn't about what Trump tried to do. This is about the left not being able to stand Trump. And they're terrified he'll win again in 2020. What Trump tried to do was unethical, but not impeachable. And I would say the same if it were a Dem facing such nonsense. And you would too.
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Trying to publically out the whistle blower is wrong. Trying to get a foreign country to investigate your political rival is wrong. Impeaching for "unethical" "corrupt" behavior is ethical and justified.
 
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MontyPython said:
The impeachment will "undo the last election" argument really has no validity whatsoever. By that logic, ANY impeachment proceeding is wrong.

I subscribe to the view that if this abuse of power is not impeachable, then nothing is, really.

The net-net here when the GOP votes to support Trump is a weakening of our checks and balances. It's not a good thing.
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The GOP is notorious for changing the bar when it suits them. The low bar for Clinton and the unreachable bar for Trump.
 
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MontyPython said:
The impeachment will "undo the last election" argument really has no validity whatsoever. By that logic, ANY impeachment proceeding is wrong.

I subscribe to the view that if this abuse of power is not impeachable, then nothing is, really.

The net-net here when the GOP votes to support Trump is a weakening of our checks and balances. It's not a good thing.
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Impeachment serves a purpose when reasons are valid. The reasoning here is not valid.

The same could be said of the Clinton impeachment. When the POTUS commits a crime, admits to the crime, but is allowed to stay in office, then what is impeachable?

Don't kid yourself. Checks and balances is not what is at issue. This is a Dem controlled House overstepping their bounds. If the Senate acquits Trump like expected, it's a case of the Senate checking the House for an overt political maneuver. The House didn't even bother to hold a thorough investigation. Now they're wanting the Senate to do their job for them. I'm not even sure how the sheep explain that. They'll accept it, but how do you explain it. As badly as they want Trump out of office, you'd think they'd line their ducks up in a row, which they clearly did not.
 
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Mick said:
Trying to publically out the whistle blower is wrong. Trying to get a foreign country to investigate your political rival is wrong. Impeaching for "unethical" "corrupt" behavior is ethical and justified.
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Again, you're suggesting I said something I didn't. I know it's hard for you, but think. I didn't say to out the WB publicly.

If we impeached every politician that did something unethical, we'd have no government. What Trump did does not rise to removal from office. Hell, stooping an intern and lying under oath about it is unethical, but you guys never clamored for Bill's removal. Not to mention it was an actual crime. How you can say that was okay, but Trump has to be removed..... It supports this is politically motivated.
 
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Weezer said:
Again, you're suggesting I said something I didn't. I know it's hard for you, but think. I didn't say to out the WB publicly.

If we impeached every politician that did something unethical, we'd have no government. What Trump did does not rise to removal from office. Hell, stooping an intern and lying under oath about it is unethical, but you guys never clamored for Bill's removal. Not to mention it was an actual crime. How you can say that was okay, but Trump has to be removed..... It supports this is politically motivated.
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Did you know, probably not, it's illegal for someone to solicit foreign election help? I would imagine it's also illegal to use a shadow government to spy on a US official. Do we have those FISA's?
 
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Weezer said:
Impeachment serves a purpose when reasons are valid. The reasoning here is not valid.

The same could be said of the Clinton impeachment. When the POTUS commits a crime, admits to the crime, but is allowed to stay in office, then what is impeachable?

Don't kid yourself. Checks and balances is not what is at issue. This is a Dem controlled House overstepping their bounds. If the Senate acquits Trump like expected, it's a case of the Senate checking the House for an overt political maneuver. The House didn't even bother to hold a thorough investigation. Now they're wanting the Senate to do their job for them. I'm not even sure how the sheep explain that. They'll accept it, but how do you explain it. As badly as they want Trump out of office, you'd think they'd line their ducks up in a row, which they clearly did not.
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So really you're wrong on every count. This is not how it works.

The Senate is conducting a De Novo trial. This literally means that it's a "new trial". Everything that occurred in the House really means jack squat!

It's the Senate's JOB - and each Senator's SWORN DUTY - to conduct an impartial trial and ascertain the truth. Don't believe any of the evidence the House gathered? No problem, Senator. Throw it ALL out. But, they are bound by duty to call witnesses and gather evidence on the matter.

Of course, this will not happen. But, this is how it's supposed to work.
 
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Honestly, the House Dems are approaching this trial all wrong.

They're being way to intellectual with all their accusations of "quid pro quo" and other goofy jargon.

Better plan for framing their case:

TRUMP HAD SEX WITH THE ENTIRE NATION.

That's right, he f*cked us all by using our taxpayer $ for his own political purposes.

Watch the GOP Senators line up so quick to impeach that sexual deviant, it'll make Bill Clinton proud!!!

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Mick said:
Did you know, probably not, it's illegal for someone to solicit foreign election help? I would imagine it's also illegal to use a shadow government to spy on a US official. Do we have those FISA's?
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When has something being illegal ever stopped our Government employees from doing it?
 
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