The Impeachment Thread

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BowlBrother85 said:
No, he changed his reasoning behind placing that hold. At first, Trump said that he had withheld the military aid because he wanted European countries to share in the burden but that wasn't going to fly because the European countries had not been made aware of the freeze in the first place... so, the very next day, Trump said that it was because of concerns over Ukrainian corruption but that doesn't fly either because Trump himself, as well as others in his administration, have conducted business in the Ukraine recently. The fact is, that there still hasn't been an explanation for the hold given (which had been approved by Congress, and may not have even been legal to withhold in the first place) that makes any sense - other than the obvious reason - it was leverage.

Finally, it was not legal for Trump (with assistance from Giuliani) to solicit a foreign government for assistance with his reelection campaign and that is exactly what he was doing. This entire thing is very simple... Trump wanted dirt on Joe Biden's son, because he wanted to damage a potential opponent in the 2020 general election. He withheld military aid that Congress had approved, in order to use it as leverage against this foreign government's willingness to assist him in this effort.
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You have the **** so figured out why do we even need an inquiry?
 
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AirVol said:
Can’t wait for the Dims to impeach Trump. The Dims won’t see power for another decade or more and to watch some of you b!tch and moan will be glorious.
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You are implying that impeachment would be unpopular with Americans right now. The current polls show just the opposite is true..
 
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AirVol said:
Can’t wait for the Dims to impeach Trump. The Dims won’t see power for another decade or more and to watch some of you b!tch and moan will be glorious.
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This place is becoming intolerable. Back and forth about the same points everyday. You would think people would wait until FACTS come out, but all we get is speculation and connect the dots.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I strongly disagree with you here. When Attorney General William Barr released his "summary of the Mueller report's principle findings", he successfully cast a narrative that held strong with the conservative base, who then didn't bother to read the Mueller report once it was released days later. Many people who only paid attention to the Barr summary, do believe that the Mueller report was a total exoneration of Donald Trump, even on the subject of obstruction - which was not the case. Sorry, but you are dead wrong about this.
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Disagree.

Getting under the bar of “see? It’s not as bad as it seemed,” was Trump’s whole playbook for the Mueller investigation.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Disagree.

Getting under the bar of “see? It’s not as bad as it seemed,” was Trump’s whole playbook for the Mueller investigation.
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No. The playbook and Trump's narrative was "total exoneration". He said it a thousand times and it was a lie every single time. The Mueller report did not exonerate him on the subject of obstruction of justice.
 
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BigOrangeD said:
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Once again, and I quoted you on one of these yesterday, you can find a poll to support whatever narrative you wish to take... That is Dan Scavino and the Gateway Pundit, Trump lackeys, how about Quinnipiac? They show that impeachment and removal from office has the support of Americans by a 48-46% margin. And check Trump's approval ratings in Rasmussen Reports right now... they are at 43% and that is his favorite poll. He tweets their results all the time.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
No. The playbook and Trump's narrative was "total exoneration". He said it a thousand times and it was a lie every single time. The Mueller report did not exonerate him on the subject of obstruction of justice.
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Nobody cared about obstruction because the bar was set at collusion, Russian agent, Putin’s puppet, and all that.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Nobody cared about obstruction because the bar was set at collusion, Russian agent, Putin’s puppet, and all that.
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Nobody cared? Smh. It mattered and yes, some of us cared. Trump said every damn day, "No collusion, no obstruction." He knew that the Mueller Report had not cleared him of obstruction.
 
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What is it with this "perfect conversation" line he keeps repeating? It doesn't even make sense.

Anyway, he keeps trying to make it about this one call rather than months of behind-the-scenes policy.

Nope.

 
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Velo Vol said:
Impeachment is an interesting mix of quasi-judicial/political. But in the end it's political. Fun being educated by Fox News' Impeachment Procedure class, though.
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Depends on who you are talking about. It's a very small sample size in American history. With regards to Bill Clinton it was mostly political but he had, in fact, lied under oath. So, it couldn't be completely dismissed as political. With regards to the articles of impeachment of Nixon, it was judicial. He had obstructed justice out the wazoo and abused his power.
 
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Dems better hurry up with the impeachment.

Because the Barr/Durham freight train is chugging down the track.

And it’s way ahead of the Schiff/Pelosi hand car.
 
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Velo Vol said:
Impeachment is an interesting mix of quasi-judicial/political. But in the end it's political. Fun being educated by Fox News' Impeachment Procedure class, though.
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Yep. I think what they (the democrats) are doing now is potentially pretty smart. It’s Mueller 2.0, now with with selective leaks. You would hope that the prepared statements of these witnesses would be a fairly succinct synopsis of their testimony. Leaking it 5-15 pages at a time keeps it from being a huge information dump like the Mueller report. Trump can’t shout down the headlines as effectively as he could with a silent Mueller and it’s driving his sycophants nuts.

They’ll have to have hearings and call witnesses eventually but they have cooperative witnesses now, the importance of which cannot be overstated.
Next step, IMO, is getting that testimony out to the uninformed voter in digital and television ads, which I assume will happen around election time.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Depends on who you are talking about. It's a very small sample size in American history. With regards to Bill Clinton it was mostly political but he had, in fact, lied under oath. So, it couldn't be completely dismissed as political. With regards to the articles of impeachment of Nixon, it was judicial. He had obstructed justice out the wazoo and abused his power.
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The "judges"/"jury" are politicians, is what I mean.
 
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