The Impeachment Thread

[Orangeburst]

It’s the exact same subpoena procedure that was set up in 1998. I posted the Clinton resolution earlier in the thread.

There was a 2-3 year independent council then to gather evidence.

 

[Mick]

Well aren't you in the know. So the best notes and recollection of people paid to transcribe presidential phone calls is not reliable and some gumba lt colonel relying on his memory is reliable? Just think about that for a moment.

One of the most accurate note takers on the phone call testified important things were left out.

 

[GVF]

He can say he heard nothing he thought was illegal, but if he confirms quid pro quo, which he seems to have done, his testimony is gold for the democrats.

No, nothing illegal. Yes, quid pro quo.

Isn't that noise cancellation? If he heard anything illegal, it would support quid pro quo. That being illegal and all that. If he says there was quid pro quo, then he would have heard something illegal. Right? Otherwise he is contradicting himself and therefore an unreliable witness. Correct?

 

[RockyTop85]

There was a 2-3 year independent council then to gather evidence.

We tried that six months ago and the Trump administration refused to provide the evidence to congress so... seems like Trump made his own bed on that one.

 

[tvolsfan]

No, nothing illegal. Yes, quid pro quo.

Isn't that noise cancellation? If he heard anything illegal, it would support quid pro quo. That being illegal and all that. If he says there was quid pro quo, then he would have heard something illegal. Right? Otherwise he is contradicting himself and therefore an unreliable witness. Correct?

No, it would just show that something he didn’t realize was a crime turned out to be a crime after all.

 

[Sandman 423]

If there were corroborating witnesses saying the same it might.

They way I understand these calls are handled is that they are not recorded, x number of analysts listen to the call, they write a memo of what they heard then they compare and come up with an official memo. So I wouldn't be surprised that it's common for them to disagree.

Only our government would play Chinese whispers to make a transcript. Seriously, why do we pay these people?

 

[tvolsfan]

We tried that six months ago and the Trump administration refused to provide the evidence to congress so... seems like Trump made his own bed on that one.

Nothing would make me happier than to see Trump testify under oath.

 

[GVF]

No, it would just show that something he didn’t realize was a crime turned out to be a crime after all.

Riiigggghhhhtttt….

 

[RockyTop85]

Was Schiff calling the shots then?

You need to read the rules for yourself and not rely on the misinformation being posted by your Trumpists brethren.

 

[VolStrom]

One of the most accurate note takers on the phone call testified important things were left out.

Really? Was that in one of the super secret testimonies that republicans weren't allowed to question the witness?

 

[Stew Cook]

Except Muller didn't find collusion Between Trump and Russia. If he did, as a lot of you like to say,why did he not charge one single person in Trumps sphere with it?

He couldn't prove a conspiracy, which would be the actionable crime. I believe he stated some leads couldn't be followed, due to the limits of the FBI resources he was given.

But collusion, is apparent throughout Mueller's report, and some of the heaviest redactions appear where Trump speaks of foreknowledge of upcoming DNC hack WikiLeaks drops.

The picture isn't pretty, but collusion isn't necessarily a crime without being a proven conspiracy.

 

[1972 Grad]

Clearly taking a jab at the electoral college. If she thought she had actually one, she wouldn’t have conceded. Simple as that.

Didn't she send somebody else out to concede?

 

[Orangeburst]

We tried that six months ago and the Trump administration refused to provide the evidence to congress so... seems like Trump made his own bed on that one.

He refused to provide evidence to a Dem committee. Do not blame him one bit.
One thing you will notice from the R's on here, very few if any are worried about this.
The blowback on the Dems on this is going to be epic.

 

[tvolsfan]

Riiigggghhhhtttt….

When a witness testifies in court, how frequently does the lawyer ask for their legal opinion of the situation. Come on, this should be easy for you.

 

[Mick]

Documentation is everything. Atleast for everything not Dem related to taking Trump down.

If there was a shred of exoneration in any documentation, Trump would release it. What he did release didn't go over so well to clear his name.

 

[tvolsfan]

Didn't she send somebody else out to concede?

Honestly I have no idea. In what way does it matter though? She conceded.

 

[luthervol]

All career politicians are horrendously despicable.

Nope; nor are the ones that are, equal.
I knew from the beginning that Trumpism was rooted in a manufactured hatred of the government. The irony is that Trump has only made government more worthy of that hatred. It's like the idiot trying to put out the fire with gas.

I also knew from the beginning that there would be the attempt to normalize Trump. What else could trumpers do? (by the way, you are teetering on the edge of falling into that category).

Trump apologists are getting increasingly sad, and there wasn't a lot of distance left to fall.

 

[tvolsfan]

If there was a shred of exoneration in any documentation, Trump would release it. What he did release didn't go over so well to clear his name.

Not the sharpest tool in the shed.

 

[VolnJC]

And this was their going away for 2 weeks witness that was supposed to corroborate Taylor lol

 

[tvolsfan]

He refused to provide evidence to a Dem committee. Do not blame him one bit.
One thing you will notice from the R's on here, very few if any are worried about this.
The blowback on the Dems on this is going to be epic.

LOL

Republicans are going to want nothing to do with Trump about 8 seconds after he’s gone. They’re going to distance themselves from this whole thing and avoid discussing it as much as possible.

 

[Stew Cook]

Good spin. Dizzy?

Straight forward, accurate.. wheres the spin?

 

[Mick]

Really? Was that in one of the super secret testimonies that republicans weren't allowed to question the witness?

Really. You will have to point to the super secret BS you think the R's were left out of.

 

[GVF]

If there was a shred of exoneration in any documentation, Trump would release it. What he did release didn't go over so well to clear his name.

If there was a shred of consistency or substance in the documentation against him, it would already be before the Senate.

 

[Orangeburst]

LOL

Republicans are going to want nothing to do with Trump about 8 seconds after he’s gone. They’re going to distance themselves from this whole thing and avoid discussing it as much as possible.

That is some funny **** right there. Lets meet up here in a few weeks.

 

[tvolsfan]

Really. You will have to point to the super secret BS you think the R's were left out of.

The spin has certainly worked on the target audience, hasn’t it?