The Iraq War has cost 3 trillion dollars

Was the Iraq War worth the cost (3 trillion)?

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Volnissniss said:
What do you want to say? What is your problem with what I am saying? Go ahead, I'm listening...
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Rwanda, Kosovo, Cambodia, Liberia, Congo

Leaders have always, and probably will always allow politics to dictate where and when to throw our weight around. Iraq was not the biggest threat, although I have always said I was all for removing Saddam, but it was the right political move (at least at the time) for George W. Bush to make. I don't think it's debatable that going into Iraq was a very politically motivated action.
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
I know I am having a bad week, that is the second time we have agreed on something.
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Ha, I figured that is probably not the answer most were expecting from me. Heck, if you had asked me six months ago I would have said something completely different, but I like to think I am an informed person. So, with the more I read and watch concerning this and other topics, naturally my viewpoint evolves.
 
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emainvol said:
Ha, I figured that is probably not the answer most were expecting from me. Heck, if you had asked me six months ago I would have said something completely different, but I like to think I am an informed person. So, with the more I read and watch concerning this and other topics, naturally my viewpoint evolves.
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I am giving up................. no point of resisting...

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emainvol said:
Rwanda, Kosovo, Cambodia, Liberia, Congo

Leaders have always, and probably will always allow politics to dictate where and when to throw our weight around. Iraq was not the biggest threat, although I have always said I was all for removing Saddam, but it was the right political move (at least at the time) for George W. Bush to make. I don't think it's debatable that going into Iraq was a very politically motivated action.
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I believe there is truth to that statement. Further IMO we could not allow a foreign leader to defy UN mandates on weapons inspections in the current state of affairs the world is seeing. Violation after violation has to carry some penalty. The UN was unwilling or unable (more likely) to deal with the situation, so we stepped in to show the world there would be price to pay. We have enough weapons of mass destruction as it is. The last thing we need is every Tom, Dick, and Harry after them too. Whether or not you believe he had weapons of mass destruction or not has no bearing. The fact that he did not cooperate gave the impression he did.
 
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KB5252 said:
I believe there is truth to that statement. Further IMO we could not allow a foreign leader to defy UN mandates on weapons inspections in the current state of affairs the world is seeing. Violation after violation has to carry some penalty. The UN was unwilling or unable (more likely) to deal with the situation, so we stepped in to show the world there would be price to pay. We have enough weapons of mass destruction as it is. The last thing we need is every Tom, Dick, and Harry after them too. Whether or not you believe he had weapons of mass destruction or not has no bearing. The fact that he did not cooperate gave the impression he did.
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So the Iraqi test will govern our foreign policy.....

When will we invade Iran and N. Korea?
 
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KB5252 said:
I believe there is truth to that statement. Further IMO we could not allow a foreign leader to defy UN mandates on weapons inspections in the current state of affairs the world is seeing. Violation after violation has to carry some penalty. The UN was unwilling or unable (more likely) to deal with the situation, so we stepped in to show the world there would be price to pay. We have enough weapons of mass destruction as it is. The last thing we need is every Tom, Dick, and Harry after them too. Whether or not you believe he had weapons of mass destruction or not has no bearing. The fact that he did not cooperate gave the impression he did.
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I think we are past the point of that even being a question.
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
So the Iraqi test will govern our foreign policy.....

When will we invade Iran and N. Korea?
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I did not give my opinion on how it all turned out. We have had egg on our face for a while now. Things did not go as well as we hoped. I doubt you will see us push to use force again for a while, unless a shot is taken at us to which we will have to respond. I think the point has been made that you should expect there to be consequences.
 
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emainvol said:
I think we are past the point of that even being a question.
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You chose to quote the first part but ignored the second. The fact that he was so uncooperative led everyone to believe that he did. Had he cooperated we would not be having this discussion now.
 
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KB5252 said:
You chose to quote the first part but ignored the second. The fact that he was so uncooperative led everyone to believe that he did. Had he cooperated we would not be having this discussion now.
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I didn't ignore it, I was merely commenting on the fact that it actually is relevant whether one believes he had WMD or not, because if they believe he did, they are flat out wrong.

As for his lack of cooperation, I really think it was a non issue. Don't you remember Colin Powell's Adlai Stevensonesque presentation? Also, if memory serves correct, GWB basically told the inspectors to get out and that we were going in. He may not have cooperated fully, but the powers that be had already made their minds up anyways.
 
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Ok, so my point is that yes, while there has been political motivation behind some of these decisions, I still think going into Iraq was the right decision.

Just ask those people that live there if our presence has made any difference at all in their day to day lives.

Also, emain, are you a democrat or a Libertarian?
 
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#196
So we should have not left Vietnam?

We should have cleaned house in Gulf War I?

We should have attacked Russia first during the Cold War?

We should have attacked Cuba or attack Cuba now to liberate their people?
 
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emainvol said:
I didn't ignore it, I was merely commenting on the fact that it actually is relevant whether one believes he had WMD or not, because if they believe he did, they are flat out wrong.

As for his lack of cooperation, I really think it was a non issue. Don't you remember Colin Powell's Adlai Stevensonesque presentation? Also, if memory serves correct, GWB basically told the inspectors to get out and that we were going in. He may not have cooperated fully, but the powers that be had already made their minds up anyways.
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We told the inspectors to get out only after he was in violation for the 14th time. How many chances is he supposed to get? I do not know how many times he denied entry to inspectors but it was more than just a few times. Here is an analogy. It was a part of the cease fire that he habitually violated. Sending inspectors to sight after sight only to be turned away is stupid. If he would have allowed them to do their job there would have been no reason to go in.
 
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KB5252 said:
We told the inspectors to get out only after he was in violation for the 14th time. How many chances is he supposed to get? I do not know how many times he denied entry to inspectors but it was more than just a few times. Here is an analogy. It was a part of the cease fire that he habitually violated. Sending inspectors to sight after sight only to be turned away is stupid. If he would have allowed them to do their job there would have been no reason to go in.
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The amount of violations is irrelevant, how many times has Israel (among others, it just happens to be the most glaring example I can think of) violated? My point is we were going in regardless.
 
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