The Liberal Argument for a Higher Minimum Wage

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DancingOutlaw said:
I am talking about organic wage growth. The world needs ditch diggers but illegal workers create an artificially suppressed wage base that drags down wages for citizens in those sectors.
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What does that mean? We pay less for the same low-skill services over time, in real dollars. You have to improve on your offering to make more. Inflation makes it seem like we might be paying more, but it's not the case. There are machines that can dig ditches.
 
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Obsessed said:
Go Georgia!!

Wait, did I just say that?
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I don't understand how an able bodied adult with no kids could even get them. I knew an older guy here that got cancer, given months to live. His wife had to quit working to take care of him. One of their kids talked her into signing up for food stamps (situation like that of course), they got $29 a month. I personally know people who just won't get a job who get hundreds. It's a screwed up system here.
 
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joevol33 said:
I don't understand how an able bodied adult with no kids could even get them. I knew an older guy here that got cancer, given months to live. His wife had to quit working to take care of him. One of their kids talked her into signing up for food stamps (situation like that of course), they got $29 a month. I personally know people who just won't get a job who get hundreds. It's a screwed up system here.
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My cousin fell and broke both her elbows at the beach carrying her kids. Went to ER, doc would not write her a scrip for pain meds. He said "people from where you're from" come here and lie to get pain pills. When she got home she did get some but was on a pill count and had to check in regularly to make sure she wasn't abusing or selling. Then you read these stories about TennCare all stars shopping 10 docs and having buckets of pain meds. How can the system be so screwed up?
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
My cousin fell and broke both her elbows at the beach carrying her kids. Went to ER, doc would not write her a scrip for pain meds. He said "people from where you're from" come here and lie to get pain pills. When she got home she did get some but was on a pill count and had to check in regularly to make sure she wasn't abusing or selling. Then you read these stories about TennCare all stars shopping 10 docs and having buckets of pain meds. How can the system be so screwed up?
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I understand. I've seen the same thing.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Uhhh, I didn't realize we were talking about abolishing licensing.

LOL at seeing an RN when you were just arguing for strict licensing. I know someone who has to pay $100 to see a doctor every time her shingles flare up, just so he can write her a scrip. She doesn't wanna hear about an over-prescribed nation and she scoffs at your opinion that cheap options do exist.
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Not abolishing it, don't know I ever implied it. But if you let in unqualified "doctors" and let them operate as doctors you are opening up people to getting hurt. and before you say I don't know that I would say look at historical cases before required professionalism.

Do they exist for her? Doesn't sound like it, idk. But for me with the sniffles I can go to the RN. Which situation is more common?

I already stated the difference was prescriptions and that if you need that you have to go to a doctor so I am not sure why you are making a point about it too. And I could be mixed up here but haven't you stated that we over prescribe pain pills, ADD pills to kids, and anti biotics. Not sure the antibiotics was you but I seem to recall the rest being stated before.
 
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LouderVol said:
Not abolishing it, don't know I ever implied it. But if you let in unqualified "doctors" and let them operate as doctors you are opening up people to getting hurt. and before you say I don't know that I would say look at historical cases before required professionalism.
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Why do you think they are unqualified? I am not understanding how you arrive there.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Why do you think they are unqualified? I am not understanding how you arrive there.
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some past experience, as well as knowing some of the requirements. I had a spanish teacher from south of the border, I want to say Columbia but can't say 100%. See was a doctor back there and when she first immigrated she tried to become a doctor here. Said things were too difficult and that we are more cautious. so she ended up a teacher.

also in my own field you are required to have a professional degree. and I know from talking to various nationalities, Polish, German and Spanish, that their architecture schools don't even offer some of our required courses. and that if those people wanted to be architects here they would have to go back to school. or if an architect over there they still have to take our tests over here (depending on the state).

In either case I am not saying they CAN'T be good doctors/architects/whatever, or that they couldn't go back to school and become an American one. I am saying its not a 1 to 1 conversion and there are some pretty scary gaps in the practices for me to just accept a doctor from somewhere else as a doctor here.
 
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LouderVol said:
some past experience, as well as knowing some of the requirements. I had a spanish teacher from south of the border, I want to say Columbia but can't say 100%. See was a doctor back there and when she first immigrated she tried to become a doctor here. Said things were too difficult and that we are more cautious. so she ended up a teacher.
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Right. If they can't cut it, then they won't be doctors. If they can cut it, then we get doctors for cheaper.
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
My cousin fell and broke both her elbows at the beach carrying her kids. Went to ER, doc would not write her a scrip for pain meds. He said "people from where you're from" come here and lie to get pain pills. When she got home she did get some but was on a pill count and had to check in regularly to make sure she wasn't abusing or selling. Then you read these stories about TennCare all stars shopping 10 docs and having buckets of pain meds. How can the system be so screwed up?
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Sounds like the ER doc needs his arse whipped. She should sue for discrimination
 
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LouderVol said:
some past experience, as well as knowing some of the requirements. I had a spanish teacher from south of the border, I want to say Columbia but can't say 100%..
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I saw a T shirt in Bogota the other day that said "Colombia, NOT Columbia". Not criticizing your post, I thought it (the shirt) was funny actually.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Right. If they can't cut it, then they won't be doctors. If they can cut it, then we get doctors for cheaper.
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how? I don't know if you have noticed but we have a lot more doctors than we used to, and up until Obamacare we were the recipients of other countries "brain drain". Not sure if that has changed or not. Costs only continued to rise.

Adding more and more Walmarts doesn't lower the prices of Walmart goods. Similar situation with doctors, imo. Now there might be some drop in some of the specialties that I can't speak to, but general care cost is still going up.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Why do you think they are unqualified? I am not understanding how you arrive there.
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Picture this scenario. You've scheduled your appendix to be removed. You have two doctors to choose from. One doctor went to Vandy. The other doctor graduated from Université Notre Dame d'Haïti Faculté de Médecine in Haiti. Who do you want working on you? Ignore race but if you can't both are black.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
Picture this scenario. You've scheduled your appendix to be removed. You have two doctors to choose from. One doctor went to Vandy. The other doctor graduated from Université Notre Dame d'Haïti Faculté de Médecine in Haiti. Who do you want working on you? Ignore race but if you can't both are black.
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Does the Vandy doc know I am a VOL fan?
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
Picture this scenario. You've scheduled your appendix to be removed. You have two doctors to choose from. One doctor went to Vandy. The other doctor graduated from Université Notre Dame d'Haïti Faculté de Médecine in Haiti. Who do you want working on you? Ignore race but if you can't both are black.
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What's the problem with both being a choice is my point? Why not have more choices, if possible? I mean...we could all just eat pringles
 
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n_huffhines said:
What's the problem with both being a choice is my point? Why not have more choices, if possible? I mean...we could all just eat pringles
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What the crap is wrong with Pringles?!!! It's the only chip that's not Hal air dang it 😁
 
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This may not apply to anything, but for what it's worth, I think a U.S. Student deciding to go to a carribean medical school is the most misinformed decision anyone can make.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
Picture this scenario. You've scheduled your appendix to be removed. You have two doctors to choose from. One doctor went to Vandy. The other doctor graduated from Université Notre Dame d'Haïti Faculté de Médecine in Haiti. Who do you want working on you? Ignore race but if you can't both are black.
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To be fair, I've never asked where my doctors went to school. But the few times I've changed doctors I've always stayed with a Jew.
 
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