The Liberal Argument for a Higher Minimum Wage

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McDad said:
How dare you look down your nose at us from your porcelain tower.
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My 22yo, recent grad, sheltered self learned a whole lot during that 6mos. I was there for almost 7yrs and was the only mgmt trainee who took the contractor up on his offer so this isn't really a new thing
 
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hog88 said:
Sad fact is there are hardly any mechanics left, most "auto techs" can't figure out what's wrong without the computer telling them.
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The computer controls everything now though. And with federally mandated common architecture On Board Diagnostics the computer normally has a really good idea what is wrong.

I’ve got the MFG shop manuals (in CD form) for my Fords. They have flow charts you follow based on the codes you pull. It’s damn near idiot proof.
 
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0nelilreb said:
That won’t work they will hire bosses to take a fall if they get caught . Make the fines so high that it gets the companies attention and a law saying all penalties must go to pay down the National debt only along with a public list of companies and its CEOs that have helped pay down that debt for the year .
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They couldn't pay me enough to spend 10 years in pound me in the ass prison. $1oo million (with taxes perpetually paid) isn't enough and after that it is just keeping score. I don't think you could find enough guys to take that kind of fall.
 
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0nelilreb said:
“ we can’t get it to do what you say it’s doing come back next Tuesday and we will hook it up again on the diagnostic machine “
Yep I know
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Just buy your own man. I’ve got a generic OBDII scan tool. Not a code puller an honest scan tool.
 
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If you want to fix the labor problem in this country step one should be stop giving people money that don't work. I haven't seen anyone above 20 that isn't a felon looking for employment in a couple of years and them fools think they should start at $20hr.
 
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Sandman 423 said:
That should be about step 5. Also, what do you think will happen when that labor leaves?
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Prices go up. So be it. Either that or that labor gets off it's lazy ass and becomes citizens the right way. Becoming a citizen is not a right. It takes effort.
 
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utvolpj said:
My 22yo, recent grad, sheltered self learned a whole lot during that 6mos. I was there for almost 7yrs and was the only mgmt trainee who took the contractor up on his offer so this isn't really a new thing
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Herein lies one of the problems , it took a skilled tradesman ( several ) to teach you those things , we are running out of those and that knowledge to be passed down or around because our kids are being taught that everyone needs that degree instead of learning that skill .
 
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0nelilreb said:
Herein lies one of the problems , it took a skilled tradesman ( several ) to teach you those things , we are running out of those and that knowledge to be passed down or around because our kids are being taught that everyone needs that degree instead of learning that skill .
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You should see the idiots that the local vocational schools send us. How can someone graduate, take classes on carpentry, and not be able to read a tape measure?
 
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0nelilreb said:
Herein lies one of the problems , it took a skilled tradesman ( several ) to teach you those things , we are running out of those and that knowledge to be passed down or around because our kids are being taught that everyone needs that degree instead of learning that skill .
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How do we change that perception? I would rather help a young person set up a business as a tradesman than to help send a kid to college anymore. I feel that by helping to create workers that are debt free and providing a service other than pouring coffee at SBucks is a better use of my money. I would rather donate to MikeRoweworks than to UT anymore. Of course UT will never get any more of my money anyway, because of the woke leadership there. And I HATE that, because UT helped me to get where I am today and hopefully someday football will be fun again.
 
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Sandman 423 said:
You should see the idiots that the local vocational schools send us. How can someone graduate, take classes on carpentry, and not be able to read a tape measure?
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I believe you. How do we change that? I know where you are going btw...
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
How do we change that perception? I would rather help a young person set up a business as a tradesman than to help send a kid to college anymore. I feel that by helping to create workers that are debt free and providing a service other than pouring coffee at SBucks is a better use of my money. I would rather donate to MikeRoweworks than to UT anymore. Of course UT will never get any more of my money anyway, because of the woke leadership there. And I HATE that, because UT helped me to get where I am today and hopefully someday football will be fun again.
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I honestly don’t think we can because it’s embedded into the kids from an early age now that all you need is a degree and the world is yours . IMO it will take a something damaging to happen to have a reset in that perception. Not that I want that to happen but you can only have some many chiefs and not enough Indians for so long before it does . It’s like anything else , as long as there’s a balance there’s not created problems . When there’s a shift from that balance one way or the other , there’s always created problems that will have to be dealt with .
 
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Sandman 423 said:
You should see the idiots that the local vocational schools send us. How can someone graduate, take classes on carpentry, and not be able to read a tape measure?
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I get it , I do . They were never taught to read one . It’s like anything , I have been literally terrified that I was going to screw some expensive up many times but I had great mentors and to the single soul they all told me “ stop worrying you can’t do anything that hasn’t been done before “ then taught and corrected me when I need it , praised me when I needed it , but always let me put my hands on it so I could learn .

Edit .. embarrassing FYI - I have a one tape that has it printed out so I don’t have to count or look close . I WOULD NEVER LET MY FRIENDS SEE ME USE IT , but I use it around the house to save my blind eyes 😂
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
The computer controls everything now though. And with federally mandated common architecture On Board Diagnostics the computer normally has a really good idea what is wrong.

I’ve got the MFG shop manuals (in CD form) for my Fords. They have flow charts you follow based on the codes you pull. It’s damn near idiot proof.
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I'm going to by me a couple pre-electronic vehicles. Either a 88 - 92 7.3L Ford or a mid 90s Dodge (yeah I know) with the 12 valve Cummins and a 87-89 TJ with the inline 6. I can work on those.
 
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hog88 said:
I'm going to by me a couple pre-electronic vehicles. Either a 88 - 92 7.3L Ford or a mid 90s Dodge (yeah I know) with the 12 valve Cummins and a 87-89 TJ with the inline 6. I can work on those.
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Got bad news for you on that 88-92 Ford. It still has a computer with diagnostics. It’s just pre OBDII. I think that was an EEC-III ?

Like I said just buy a generic scan tool. It actually is easier to work on an OBDII vehicle once you understand the process.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Got bad news for you on that 88-92 Ford. It still has a computer with diagnostics. It’s just pre OBDII. I think that was an EEC-III ?
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Yep he needs to go back to the 70s or early 80s lol
I had an 82 GMC pick up that I could work on no problems .
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Got bad news for you on that 88-92 Ford. It still has a computer with diagnostics. It’s just pre OBDII. I think that was an EEC-III ?

Like I said just buy a generic scan tool. It actually is easier to work on an OBDII vehicle once you understand the process.
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I'm pretty sure the manual trannies don't have an ECM in those years.
 
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0nelilreb said:
Yep he needs to go back to the 70s or early 80s lol
I had an 82 GMC pick up that I could work on no problems .
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I know the 6.9s were all mechanical but I'm pretty sure the early 7.3s with manual transmissions were also. Could be wrong.
 
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hog88 said:
I'm pretty sure the manual trannies don't have an ECM in those years.
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I don’t see how they couldn’t as that would require two different engine management designs for the turbo fuel injected engine. And electronic engine management for waste gate and fuel delivery scheme is the only method you should be considering I’d submit its bullet proof 🤷‍♂️
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
I don’t see how they couldn’t as that would require two different engine management designs for the turbo fuel injected engine. And electronic engine management for waste gate and fuel delivery scheme is the only method you should be considering I’d submit its bullet proof 🤷‍♂️
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The Ford 6.9L & 7.3L IDI Diesel Engine – Blue Oval Trucks

7.3L IDI Ford Diesel:


By increasing the bore of the 6.9 L to 4.11 inches, the 7.3 L IDI was born. It replaced the 6.9 L in 1988. Like its predeccesor, the 7.3 L was naturally aspirated, indirect injected. In 1993, a turbocharged version of the IDI was introduced, but short-lived since the IDI was replaced mid-1994 by the 7.3 L Power Stroke. The 7.3 L Power Stroke was turbocharged, direct injected, and featured computer controlled engine & injection management.
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