The Liberal Argument for a Higher Minimum Wage

[ruger1234]

There's more than one way to fight tyranny. I've already mentioned jury nullification as one of the best weapons.

It can help but to really make a difference laws have to be repelled. Otherwise you just have a few set free while the other 90% go to jail.

 

[Vol8188]

It can help but to really make a difference laws have to be repelled. Otherwise you just have a few set free while the other 90% go to jail.

It only takes 8.3% of the population to end the war on drugs. If enough aren't convicted, they'll stop prosecuting.

 

[n_huffhines]

I agree that government is inept at most things. The wage of illegal workers that are vulnerable to be exploited is no where near the value in a free market. Therefore legal workers find themselves at a bargaining disadvantage.

It's not a free market if they ban workers from participating, and the presence of illegal workers doesn't compromise the freedom of the market so this statement doesn't make sense to me.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

There's more than one way to fight tyranny. I've already mentioned jury nullification as one of the best weapons.

And what are you doing to accomplish that?

 

[Vol8188]

And what are you doing to accomplish that?

Handing out pamphlets concerning jury nullification. Protesting road blocks. Those are the main activities at this point. What are you doing? Voting to make The Empire Great Again?

 

[ruger1234]

It's not a free market if they ban workers from participating, and the presence of illegal workers doesn't compromise the freedom of the market so this statement doesn't make sense to me.

Legal workers and illegal workers don't work under the same protection of the law. Illegal workers can be exploited and cheated with little or no recourse.

It's no different than allowing two similar retailers to operate in the same city but only one is required to abide by the federal,state and local regulations.

Many illegals are paid each day in cash, that's hardly a level playing field.

 

[n_huffhines]

Handing out pamphlets concerning jury nullification. Protesting road blocks. Those are the main activities at this point.

Add "promoting it on VN" to the list.

 

[n_huffhines]

Legal workers and illegal workers don't work under the same protection of the law. Illegal workers can be exploited and cheated with little or no recourse.

It's no different than allowing two similar retailers to operate in the same city but only one is required to abide by the federal,state and local regulations.

Many illegals are paid each day in cash, that's hardly a level playing field.

No offense but you're kinda rambbling. I can't really pin down what your point is. You were talking about the free market and I responded and now you've completely abandoned that concept and wrote me 3 paragraphs about the concept of a level playing field.

 

[Carl Pickens]

No. I'm a disabled veteran. I have an only brother who owns a small dry cleaning business with six take in store fronts and the cleaning operation. I have done and occasionally still do some general office work for him. He pays his employees better than average and does ok but he's not wealthy.

I usually work for bourbon and beer.

Your turn.



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You sound like you'd be cheap date Mt.

 

[ruger1234]

No offense but you're kinda rambbling. I can't really pin down what your point is. You were talking about the free market and I responded and now you've completely abandoned that concept and wrote me 3 paragraphs about the concept of a level playing field.

Level playing field = free market

Illegal workers and their employers work under different rules than legal workers and their employers.

Different rules = tilted playing field = rigged market

 

[Carl Pickens]

Handing out pamphlets concerning jury nullification. Protesting road blocks. Those are the main activities at this point. What are you doing? Voting to make The Empire Great Again?

Hell, I feel a lot better about our country's future knowing such actions are being taken on such a small scale and on such irrelevant issues. I'll rest easy tonight.

 

[Vol8188]

Hell, I feel a lot better about our country's future knowing such actions are being taken on such a small scale and on such irrelevant issues. I'll rest easy tonight.

What are you doing to make a difference?

 

[n_huffhines]

Level playing field = free market

False

Illegal workers and their employers work under different rules than legal workers and their employers.

Both employers can hire illegal workers and all employees can work for low wages.

Different rules = tilted playing field = rigged market

They're are all under the same rules, just some people break them and others don't.

Still don't understand what the point of all of this is. Are you advocating a policy change? Are you saying this relates to whether or not we should have a minimum wage increase?

 

[Carl Pickens]

It only takes 8.3% of the population to end the war on drugs. If enough aren't convicted, they'll stop prosecuting.

Is that roughly the percentage of those that deal?

 

[n_huffhines]

Hell, I feel a lot better about our country's future knowing such actions are being taken on such a small scale and on such irrelevant issues. I'll rest easy tonight.

Don't be a prick. He's not bragging about his contribution to society. Somebody called him out and he answered the question.

 

[Carl Pickens]

False



Both employers can hire illegal workers and all employees can work for low wages.



They're are all under the same rules, just some people break them and others don't.

Still don't understand what the point of all of this is. Are you advocating a policy change? Are you saying this relates to whether or not we should have a minimum wage increase?

Illegals will work for cash and not rat out the employer .....

 

[Vol8188]

Is that roughly the percentage of those that deal?

What? Idk what you're trying to say. 8.3 is 1/12. Because there's 12 members of a jury. So with only 8.3% of the population, we could effectively end the war on drugs

 

[Carl Pickens]

Don't be a prick. He's not bragging about his contribution to society. Somebody called him out and he answered the question.

I know exactly what he did you donut pillow needing dope.

Those things matter to whom? Not me..... Don't drink and drive,.... Don't be a criminal.... Problem solved

 

[Vol8188]

I know exactly what he did you donut pillow needing dope.

Those things matter to whom? Not me..... Don't drink and drive,.... Don't be a criminal.... Problem solved

How about we just don't create laws that limiting the freedoms of others, because of your personal views?

 

[Carl Pickens]

How about we just don't create laws that limiting the freedoms of others, because of your personal views?

What if I thought killing or raping was acceptable?

 

[Vol8188]

What if I thought killing or raping was acceptable?

Harming others is where the line should be drawn. But if you don't like freedom, you could always move to Europe.

 

[Vol8188]

I know exactly what he did you donut pillow needing dope.

Those things matter to whom? Not me..... Don't drink and drive,.... Don't be a criminal.... Problem solved

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[Carl Pickens]

Harming others is where the line should be drawn. But if you don't like freedom, you could always move to Europe.

What are some laws that are on the books that you feel do not cause any harm to others?

 

[ruger1234]

Illegals will work for cash and not rat out the employer .....

And send a good chunk of it back to Belize or Guatemala, tax free. While the people here that were doing those jobs sit back and collect their welfare and food stamps.

 

[Vol8188]

What are some laws that are on the books that you feel do not cause any harm to others?

Drugs, helmets, seat belts, mandatory health insurance, weapons bans