The (many) indictments of Donald Trump

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volgr said:
If the GOP just adopts the Democrats platform from 10 to 15 years ago, what is the point of winning elections? Just to say you won?

Women do not have a right to murder their children, if that loses you an election then so be it.
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It's pathetic the only thing so many trashy women care about how many limitless abortions they can have.
 
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Did I hear correctly previously Cohen said Trump or no one in the Trump organization knew about the payment?
 
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Franklin Pierce said:
Anti-Trump Justin Amash Slams Alvin Bragg’s Indictment

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Former Rep. Justin Amash of Michigan, a noted anti-Trump Republican who later switched over to the Libertarian Party, slammed Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg’s indictment of the former president, calling it flimsy and dubious.

“After reading DA Bragg’s indictment of Trump and accompanying statement of facts, I’m stunned any prosecutor would move forward with this. It’s even flimsier than we were led to believe. Thirty-four stacked counts, bootstrapped to an unstated crime, to manufacture felony charges,” he tweeted.

Anti-Trump Justin Amash Slams Alvin Bragg's Indictment
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That guy is a closet MAGA.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
The margin of victory in that election is very surprising, and it should send a message to Republicans in Wisconsin that voters in that state want women to have abortion rights. If Republicans ignore this reality, they will turn Wisconsin ice blue.

The very liberal, Janet Protasiewicz, is going to win that election by more than 200,000 votes. There is no way that would have been possible before the Dobbs v Jackson ruling last June.
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I will also add this, the GOP didn't want to win this race or didn't act like they wanted to win this race. They spent very little money on it, Daniel Kelly was outspent like 3 or 4 to 1 and gave it almost no air time. Also, Daniel Kelly wasn't a MAGA candidate, he was an establishment candidate hand picked by Scott Walker.
 
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volgr said:
If the GOP just adopts the Democrats platform from 10 to 15 years ago, what is the point of winning elections? Just to say you won?

Women do not have a right to murder their children, if that loses you an election then so be it.
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They have the right not be forced undergo the risk of an unwanted pregnancy.
 
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You guys are missing the tax fraud. Evidently they reported the reimbursement to Cohen as compensation on the tax returns, even though when you crunch the numbers they paid him an amount that after income taxes would net Cohen the amount he paid Daniel AND would give Trump a tac deduction for compensation. They even described the services Cohen supposedly provided as the basis for the compensation.

That is tax fraud, That is a felony. I don't completely follow this part but I read that this in turn also elevates all the misdemeanor charges to felonies since they are part of the same criminal activity. Any criminal law attorneys want to explain that?

The part I enjoy are all these right wing Christians who have been saying they don't believe Trump had sex with Stormy. Now they are saying it's not right to charge a man with paying to cover up his adultery.

Hypocrisy, it's what's for dinner.
 
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WBO said:
You guys are missing the tax fraud. Evidently they reported the reimbursement to Cohen as compensation on the tax returns, even though when you crunch the numbers they paid him an amount that after income taxes would net Cohen the amount he paid Daniel AND would give Trump a tac deduction for compensation. They even described the services Cohen supposedly provided as the basis for the compensation.

That is tax fraud, That is a felony. I don't completely follow this part but I read that this in turn also elevates all the misdemeanor charges to felonies since they are part of the same criminal activity. Any criminal law attorneys want to explain that?

The part I enjoy are all these right wing Christians who have been saying they don't believe Trump had sex with Stormy. Now they are saying it's not right to charge a man with paying to cover up his adultery.

Hypocrisy, it's what's for dinner.
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Too bad he's not charged with tax violations which would be a much stronger and easily prosecutable charge. But nice theory.
 
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WBO said:
You guys are missing the tax fraud. Evidently they reported the reimbursement to Cohen as compensation on the tax returns, even though when you crunch the numbers they paid him an amount that after income taxes would net Cohen the amount he paid Daniel AND would give Trump a tac deduction for compensation. They even described the services Cohen supposedly provided as the basis for the compensation.

That is tax fraud, That is a felony. I don't completely follow this part but I read that this in turn also elevates all the misdemeanor charges to felonies since they are part of the same criminal activity. Any criminal law attorneys want to explain that?

The part I enjoy are all these right wing Christians who have been saying they don't believe Trump had sex with Stormy. Now they are saying it's not right to charge a man with paying to cover up his adultery.

Hypocrisy, it's what's for dinner.
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Is this the same tax fraud that the SDNY refused to prosecute?
 
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WBO said:
You guys are missing the tax fraud. Evidently they reported the reimbursement to Cohen as compensation on the tax returns, even though when you crunch the numbers they paid him an amount that after income taxes would net Cohen the amount he paid Daniel AND would give Trump a tac deduction for compensation. They even described the services Cohen supposedly provided as the basis for the compensation.

That is tax fraud, That is a felony. I don't completely follow this part but I read that this in turn also elevates all the misdemeanor charges to felonies since they are part of the same criminal activity. Any criminal law attorneys want to explain that?

The part I enjoy are all these right wing Christians who have been saying they don't believe Trump had sex with Stormy. Now they are saying it's not right to charge a man with paying to cover up his adultery.

Hypocrisy, it's what's for dinner.
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Again, a huge stretch here. NYC piggyback off NYS State starting point which piggyback off IRS starting point. IRS has not noted fraud....

Trump lost money in these years. All it would have done is adjusted his Net Operating Loss....
 
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kiddiedoc said:
So y'all are all good with open borders, letting Fentanyl pour into the country, mutilating children, relying on foreign energy, the crumbling economy, watching our dollar fade from the worldwide stage, and a leader who literally has to be told where to walk?

That's scary AF.
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Almost all of this has been happening for nearly a decade.
 
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GAVol said:
I'll give you the border issues. The economic numbers were already headed there though. QE, supply chain issues and injecting all that cash into the economy was going to have consequences that didn't care who was in charge. The problem is, Biden will now double down and do the dumbest thing possible to try and fix the equity of a bad economy instead of the actual issues.
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Correct, he didn't start the events that led us here but he stoked the engine with more coal to get us there. But now that we see were headed toward going off rail the smart play would be to lead from the center, and try to salvage needed relationships from traditional allies......... But that isn't what he's going to do.
 
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Is that the biggest difference between the political parties. The Democratic party believes that words hold more power than action and the GOP believed that actions hold more power than words?
 
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whodeycin85 said:
Is that the biggest difference between the political parties. The Democratic party believes that words hold more power than action and the GOP believed that actions hold more power than words?
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Yeah I can't agree to that, they're pretty much the same side of the coin.
 
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WBO said:
You guys are missing the tax fraud. Evidently they reported the reimbursement to Cohen as compensation on the tax returns, even though when you crunch the numbers they paid him an amount that after income taxes would net Cohen the amount he paid Daniel AND would give Trump a tac deduction for compensation. They even described the services Cohen supposedly provided as the basis for the compensation.

Lawyers all the time incur fees (court filing fees, postage, copies, etc) that they ultimately get reimbursed for. As long as Cohen reported the 420K as income, he could deduct the 180K in reimbursements. It's shady but from a tax perspective, Cohen would be OK if he did this...

The question is whether Trump could have deducted these payments. Typically, as a personal matter, I'd say no; however, an argument can be made that since he raw dogged Stormy on a business trip, that might lead to it bring deductible. I wouldn't quite go there but it's at least a defensible tax position especially given the brand impact. The IRS hasn't raised fraud and again, Trump,being the underperforming businessman, did not have income. I've never seen tax fraud brought by a 3rd tier jurisdiction (i.e. Feds and state passed) on an admittedly aggrssive (but gray) position that is less than 1% of his net operating loss. It's not like the Fed/State/City lost out since Cohen reported it as income...

I do expect the tax issues may be the workaround for the statute being open since I would assume his statute has been extended for Fed/State/NYC...


That is tax fraud, That is a felony. I don't completely follow this part but I read that this in turn also elevates all the misdemeanor charges to felonies since they are part of the same criminal activity. Any criminal law attorneys want to explain that?

The part I enjoy are all these right wing Christians who have been saying they don't believe Trump had sex with Stormy. Now they are saying it's not right to charge a man with paying to cover up his adultery.

Hypocrisy, it's what's for dinner.
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See further thoughts in bold....
 
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hog88 said:
Yeah I can't agree to that, they're pretty much the same side of the coin.
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I was speaking more to the supporters as opposed to the actual politicians. Politicians are all the same they nothing different very few follow through with anything and most are just a lot of bluster with no actual action. But reading through this thread a lot of what I'm hearing is the liberal Democratic party side supporters are talking about the things that Trump said he would do and he said this and he said that. With no actual actions being done while holding the same weight to actual prosecution of a political party opposition. Versus actually opening the border. Versus actually not enforcing laws.
 
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