The (many) indictments of Donald Trump

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loggervol said:
It’s cute that you think any of these “witnesses” are worried about facing perjury charges. Or, are compelled to tell the truth when they know there will be no charges levied.
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lawgator1 said:
To keep the Trump numbnuts from trying to intimidate the witnesses.

Have you noticed how vicious they are with the people that have simply worked for Trump in the past but now say he's a dangerous, incompetent, moron? Given that, can you imagine how they will treat the people he was showing classified documents to, about for example attacking Iran, and bragging about what a big shot he is to still have them? Those folks will be harrassed and threatened. For sure.
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how on earth can you prepare a defense if you aren't allowed to know who the witnesses are and cannot dispose them?
 
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volinbham said:
how on earth can you prepare a defense if you aren't allowed to know who the witnesses are and cannot dispose them?
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The Trump team have been provided with this list, which is only a list of people whom the magistrate judge has ordered him not to discuss the charges with. Trump lawyers didn’t raise an objection to the motion in principle. The issue is only whether it will be filed openly with the court and available to the public or filed under seal.
 
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volinbham said:
how on earth can you prepare a defense if you aren't allowed to know who the witnesses are and cannot dispose them?
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That’s not how that works at all. They will be given to the defense as a normal part of discovery. Being made public is a completely different thing. But I know DOJ bad, Trump victim.
 
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Septic said:
wat
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Way too many people don't know about/appreciate ITYSL (but I thought it was funny even if you don't get the reference). It's all a big part of meme culture, so even if you don't watch the show, you'll see a lot of it.

If you're old at heart, don't watch this. You won't like it.

 
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hog88 said:
Are the standards for international convictions more stringent than "beyond a reasonable doubt"?
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First off, and I defer to any attorneys in here who know the International Criminal Court at the Hague, The standards of proof to file the charges requires substantial documentation whereas, I am sure you've heard the phrase that an American prosecutor can indict a ham sandwich. There is a different procedure with international. Remember in many cases the proof needs to be strong enough to convince the offender's native country to give him up for trial.

Second, they are not jury trials, but in front of judges. I honestly don't know what the standard of proof there is, but there are no chances for jury nullification.

The cases take years to put together. They often have to cross borders to interview witnesses. Would be interested to know what their rules of evidence are like, but they don't have to follow anyone else's standards but their own. So you can't translate our system into their system easily.

Many years ago I took an international law class at UT in poly sci. Taught by Iraq's delegate to one of the Geneva Conventions. All I remember is that I came out of it thinking there was no such thing as international law, but there are a lot of attorneys who say there is and times are very different.
 
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The fact that WTN gets his news, political commentary and memes from someone on Twitter called catturd couldn't be more apropos
 
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What's even more hilarious is a guy named "catturd" has a better track record then NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, NPR etc etc who just stick to their scripts.
 
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Gandalf said:
Eh, gotta think witness for the prosecution is pretty much an accuser. They are accusing the one in the dock. Don't play semantics here, you absolutely would say they were accusers if it were on the other foot.
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That's ludicrous. Think this through in another scenario. Defendant in murder trial claims self-defense and admits to shooting dead guy. Witness says, "defendant shot dead guy, I don't know why, but he shot the dead guy." Is witness "accusing" defendant of murder just because he saw the shooting, doesn't know why it happened,and was compelled to testify by the prosecution?
 
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NurseGoodVol said:
I’d like to see equal application of the law regardless of political party. That’s all I would ask for and all people should expect.
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Agree 💯. Unfortunately this thread is full of partisan hacks and all they care about is their side, to hell with equal application of the law. As much as Trump and Biden deserve to share a cell, I don't believe either will see the inside of one.
 
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WBO said:
Word is out that Smith is methodically going down every line of activity around 2020, including the Powell/ Giuliani legal teams, the fake electors and pressure on state authorities. Remember, this guy has done international criminal work where the standards for conviction are extremely high and they have to build meticulous cases.

People can complain and scream bias all you want. It won't stick. He doesn't do politics, he does convictions.

This guy is top of the pyramid. Since the media will be all over this, you have the rare chance to see one of these guys work.
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We do finally have a Supreme Court ruling which addresses the issue, at least in broad terms :

How the Supreme Court’s decision on election law could shut the door on future fake electors

State legislatures do not have the right to unilaterally choose electors without regard for which candidate won the popular vote in their state, and without governor input or court review. In other words, Trump's "alternate elector" strategy has been effectively removed from the playbook.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
We do finally have a Supreme Court ruling which addresses the issue, at least in broad terms :

How the Supreme Court’s decision on election law could shut the door on future fake electors

State legislatures do not have the right to unilaterally choose electors without regard for which candidate won the popular vote in their state, and without governor input or court review. In other words, Trump's "faithless elector" strategy has been effectively removed from the playbook.
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Why do we even have electors? Just ceremonial? IDK or cannot remember
 
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Vol since 77 said:
Agree 💯. Unfortunately this thread is full of partisan hacks and all they care about is their side, to hell with equal application of the law. As much as Trump and Biden deserve to share a cell, I don't believe either will see the inside of one.
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No, Biden and Trump don't deserve to "share a cell." An absurd, ludicrous statement. Trump deserves jail--probably--because facts. Convictions, indictments--and more to come. Biden...nothing. All the Biden blather is just that--conspiracy nonsense. FACT.
 
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turbovol said:
No, Biden and Trump don't deserve to "share a cell." An absurd, ludicrous statement. Trump deserves jail--probably--because facts. Convictions, indictments--and more to come. Biden...nothing. All the Biden blather is just that--conspiracy nonsense. FACT.
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Trump has been convicted?
 
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