The (many) indictments of Donald Trump

[GroverCleveland]

So... Do they have him this time?

You know they do.

 

[jmacvols1]

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You're more conservative than me????

 

[jmacvols1]

Given her low rent, bar fly skankiness, I can see why she would appeal to a certain subset of people.

if YOUR OPINION of her were true then you might be right.

 

[CobbVol]

There are some conservatives in the Rep party (some/many are part of the DC establishment) along with many rinos in the party so I reject the party all together. True conservatives need to leave the Rep party. I don't care for the Paul Ryans, Boehners, etc

That is fine for primary stuff, however when it comes to the general election the group to keep from power are the democrats. We have a 2-party system in this country and democrats would enjoy the republican party splitting. That would cede power to them for generations.

Republicans need to always come together in November irrespective of one candidate being more or less conservative than the other. This RINO or not issue should never potentially keep R's from voting in the general.

 

[hog88]

You're more conservative than me????

Yeah, I'd say so.

 

[GroverCleveland]

Okay, Over and under for the following propositions:

Currently there are what? 91 counts? We'll go with that and adapt as Democratic DAs across the country try to make a name for themselves.

Over/under on counts juries convict him on?
Over/under on convictions that survive the appeals process?

I going with: over on 20 and under on 1.

Only reason going with over on 20 is New York and Atlanta/Fulton County jury pools.

 

[Septic]

if YOUR OPINION of her were true then you might be right.

It was probably her affair with a "polyamorous tantric sex guru" or the other guy she was banging when her husband (of 27 years) filed for divorce from 'The Skank.'

Clearly, her constituents are OK with her complete lack of moral or ethical or Christian boundaries. I thought I was being generous by just referring to her as a low rent, bar fly skank. Don't be mad at me because other right-wing folks describe her as a "2-bit whore" and a "trailer park hood rat."

 

[Septic]

Okay, Over and under for the following propositions:

Currently there are what? 91 counts? We'll go with that and adapt as Democratic DAs across the country try to make a name for themselves.

Over/under on counts juries convict him on?
Over/under on convictions that survive the appeals process?

I going with: over on 20 and under on 1.

Only reason going with over on 20 is New York and Atlanta/Fulton County jury pools.

I'm taking the over on both. Feds don't lose.

 

[hog88]

Okay, Over and under for the following propositions:

Currently there are what? 91 counts? We'll go with that and adapt as Democratic DAs across the country try to make a name for themselves.

Over/under on counts juries convict him on?
Over/under on convictions that survive the appeals process?

I going with: over on 20 and under on 1.

Only reason going with over on 20 is New York and Atlanta/Fulton County jury pools.

I'm betting he's convicted of most of the charges in NY and GA, some of the charges in the federal case that will be heard in FL and all of the charges in the federal case that will be heard in DC.

The NY convictions stick unless he can appeal to a federal court (IDK how that works), GA convictions overturned by a GA appeals court and all of the federal convictions overturned on appeal.

 

[Sin City Vol]

I'm taking the over on both. Feds don't lose.

The feds just don’t come to the table unless they’re 100% sure the have the proof to win

 

[Majors]

So... Do they have him this time?

Already talk of a 5th indictment in AZ. It was bound to happen.

 

[hog88]

I'm taking the over on both. Feds don't lose.

Fewer than 1% of federal criminal defendants were acquitted in 2022

Just 17% of the time when they actually go to trial. 8% have their cases dismissed.

 

[RockyTop85]

Unfortunately, This Episode Is RICO

Here’s an interview with Georgia attorney Andrew Fleishman. He gives some actual good analysis of Georgia RICO law and knowledgeable takedowns of Fulton County and Fanni Willis that provide, in my opinion, ammunition for the Trumpkins and the “I’m totally not a Trumpkin” folks who just happen to be not offended by everything that Trump does wrong and offended when something bad happens to Trump.

 

[hog88]

Here’s an interview with Georgia attorney Andrew Fleishman. He gives some actual good analysis of Georgia RICO law and knowledgeable takedowns of Fulton County and Fanni Willis that provide, in my opinion, ammunition for the Trumpkins and the “I’m totally not a Trumpkin” folks who just happen to be not offended by everything that Trump does wrong and offended when something bad happens to Trump.[/QUOTE]

Link no work.

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

One thing I can comment on: there has been the usual level of mendacious commentary with this indictment. Some has been about the indictment criminalizing certain mundane acts like “sending a tweet.”

This is not true and anybody saying that should immediately be discarded. They don’t know what they’re talking about or they’re intentionally lying.

Shooting a gun is not a crime. Shooting a gun aimed at somebody’s face usually is.

Driving a car is not a crime. Driving a car to carry your friends away from a bank robbery could be evidence that you participated in a conspiracy.

Buying a reciprocating saw is not a crime. Buying a reciprocating saw that your brother then uses to chop up your parents’ murdered bodies could be evidence that you participated in a conspiracy.

Etc. etc.

Mundane acts are often evidence of a crime and in a conspiracy the prosecution has to establish acts in furtherance of the conspiracy and show some intent to carry out the object of the conspiracy. The acts described above and the acts in the indictment are acts in furtherance of a conspiracy, and other elements still have to be proven to establish a crime.

That’s just how criminal law works and has always worked. It’s one of the dumber things I’ve seen in service of Trump, which is saying something.

Yeah, the narrative Trump is indicted over a tweet is just as ridiculous as he was exercising his first amendment rights. The ill informed and weak minded gravitate to those types of rationalizations

 

[RockyTop85]

Link no work.

I’m working on it. Friend sent that to me. Posted the wrong link. It’s got his email address. Mind removing it?

 

[Majors]

Because Trump made a large donation to the Clinton Foundation.

Donald Trump Says His Money Drew Hillary Clinton to His Wedding

They were basically paid to be there.

Weird, he was donating to the left long before the Clinton’s made their way to DC. How is the Clinton foundation? It doesn’t seem to have the same international footprint it once had as far as donations.

 

[Septic]

The feds just don’t come to the table unless they’re 100% sure the have the proof to win

Lot of Donny's folks think that the law is going to settled in the court of public opinion, they're in for a rude awakening when evidence not twitter rants, rule the day.

Donny may be able to shape the narrative on social media and through his henchmen like MTG, Gaetz and Gym Jordan on the opinion "news" clip circuit - but those bozos won't be deliberating the facts in a jury room. It's fascinating that some people are either gullible, ignorant or otherwise brainwashed enough to be duped into believing this is a first amendment "issue."

 

[Septic]

Fewer than 1% of federal criminal defendants were acquitted in 2022

Just 17% of the time when they actually go to trial. 8% have their cases dismissed.

Just goes to show that the cases they bring are dunks, not half court shots. The overwhelming majority plead out to avoid even more pain.

 

[RockyTop85]

Unfortunately, This Episode Is RICO

@hog88

 

[Sudden Impact]

THe link is to Dershowitz, a Democrat, and what he said about this sham indictment..

And what Giuliani says is of his own business and does not debunk the tapes of Ms Freeman. You seem to follow Giuliani more than I, what has he said about the tapes?

Here is what Trump has said:

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump


The Ruby Freeman tapes that I put up on Truth Social are AMAZING. Now they have been heard and seen all over America, together with the actual act of “stuffing the ballot boxes” with far more votes than needed for me, and Senator Perdue, to win GEORGIA. At first she thought that they had been caught, got VERY nervous, and wanted to “spill the beans” on everyone. Then the SOS, GBI, FBI, calmed her down, helped CLEAN her social media, took her away (for two months!). SHE THEN CHANGED HER STORY!

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You are brainwashed into believing that so be it. I will pray for you.

 

[hog88]

Unfortunately, This Episode Is RICO

@hog88

Thanks

 

[RockyTop85]

Thanks

Do you mind to edit/delete the quote from your earlier post as it’s got somebody’s email address in it that I didn’t mean to post.

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

if YOUR OPINION of her were true then you might be right.

We are talking about MTG, right? If that's the case, his opinion is shared by most people in this country, certainly excluding those that reside in her district. They're a dumb bunch of white nationalists and self proclaimed Christians

 

[Sin City Vol]

she maybe more popular than you think.

Which is sad