The (many) indictments of Donald Trump

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Septic said:
Just goes to show that the cases they bring are dunks, not half court shots. The overwhelming majority plead out to avoid even more pain.
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I would bet a lot are just like local DAs, they way overcharge hoping get a plea to reduced charges. From what I have witnessed that is a very effective method to increase conviction rates.
 
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hog88 said:
If Trump wanted Hillary or Biden investigated/charged he could have appointed an AG that would have done it. There was more than ample evidence to charge Hillary so it was a political decision not to do so just as these indictments are political decisions.
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He appointed 2 of which neither succeeded.
What makes you think Trump called off the dogs and said it is a political decision not to prosecute?
 
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Sudden Impact said:
He appointed 2 of which neither succeeded.
What makes you think Trump called off the dogs and said it is a political decision not to prosecute?
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Oh boy, I didn't think my post was so hard to understand.

If Trump really wanted Hillary or Biden prosecuted he could have appointed an AG that agreed to do so. He never did that, it obviously wasn't a top priority for him otherwise he would have fired Barr and appointed an AG that would. Firing Barr to appoint an AG that would agree to prosecute would have looked petty and hurt him politically, both inside the R establishment and with the swing voters.
 
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hog88 said:
Oh boy, I didn't think my post was so hard to understand.

If Trump really wanted Hillary or Biden prosecuted he could have appointed an AG that agreed to do so. He never did that, it obviously wasn't a top priority for him otherwise he would have fired Barr and appointed an AG that would. Firing Barr to appoint an AG that would agree to prosecute would have looked petty and hurt him politically, both inside the R establishment and with the swing voters.
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He actually had at least 5 acting AGs and none of them brought those cases. I guess that cuts both ways, maybe cuts more in favor of your theory since he was clearly shopping for people to do certain things with Barr and the post-election acting AGs.

But isn’t that also consistent with what DOJ officials from the past several administrations have said, which is that DOJ makes every effort to remain independent from the president with respect to specific investigation and charging decisions?
 
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hog88 said:
Oh boy, I didn't think my post was so hard to understand.

If Trump really wanted Hillary or Biden prosecuted he could have appointed an AG that agreed to do so. He never did that, it obviously wasn't a top priority for him otherwise he would have fired Barr and appointed an AG that would. Firing Barr to appoint an AG that would agree to prosecute would have looked petty and hurt him politically, both inside the R establishment and with the swing voters.
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Don't worry got it mix up with another one of your posts. Trump doesn't have to look bad, He thought eliminate all the Dems and Republicans that were a threat to him with his rhetoric and con skills. The only option people had to remove him from office Biden. The only reason he got elected was Hillary and Comey. He fired Sessions because he would not do what Trump wanted him to do,
Trump works on being provocado and lives by it. He doesn't care if he is label as such, it worked for a while and now many are tired of it. His actions, behaviors, feed certain elements of the his movement.
He loves the power and being the most obnoxious person in the room.

Jeffery Clark attempted AG Appointment is what Trump is all about.
 
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Sudden Impact said:
Don't worry got it mix up with another one of your posts. Trump doesn't have to look bad, He thought eliminate all the Dems and Republicans that were a threat to him with his rhetoric and con skills. The only option people had to remove him from office Biden. The only reason he got elected was Hillary and Comey. He fired Sessions because he would not do what Trump wanted him to do,
Trump works on being provocado and lives by it. He doesn't care if he is label as such, it worked for a while and now many are tired of it. His actions, behaviors, feed certain elements of the his movement.
He loves the power and being the most obnoxious person in the room.
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just admit you loved the Apprentice
 
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Septic said:
But clearly the democrat 'riggers' are far too smart to let a little thing like that deter them. Thus far, they managed to rig State elections from coast to coast in such a way that there is no smoking gun, no rat with insider knowledge who was in on it... Nothing.

You think that these Joe Biden election riggers would let a little thing like her rural district deter them from bouncing that skank?

You're clearly not giving the 'riggers' the credit that they deserve.
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What would be proof of election fraud for you?
 
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The gangster wanted to do a LOT of stupid, illegal, inappropriate things but was talked out of doing or or stonewalled by aides and agency heads
with integrity and a sobering recognition that he was a dangerous megalomaniac.
 
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turbovol said:
The gangster wanted to do a LOT of stupid, illegal, inappropriate things but was talked out of doing or or stonewalled by aides and agency heads
with integrity and a sobering recognition that he was a dangerous megalomaniac.
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congrats on making a post without the word "MAGA" in it
 
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theFallGuy said:
just admit you loved the Apprentice
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It was great. I believe it's easily Trump's greatest accomplishment. I don't mean in a scoffing manner. He was great at playing that role, even oozing a talent for it. It was an easy transition for Trump to play a role in reality afterwards. He did it and to a large degree, is still doing it successfully

Edit: Giving Trump a little bit of credit here, albeit sleazy as hell.....😉. Can anyone name a billionaire who has grifted the public more so than Trump to pay personal bills????😆
 
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hog88 said:
I'm betting he's convicted of most of the charges in NY and GA, some of the charges in the federal case that will be heard in FL and all of the charges in the federal case that will be heard in DC.

The NY convictions stick unless he can appeal to a federal court (IDK how that works), GA convictions overturned by a GA appeals court and all of the federal convictions overturned on appeal.
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Good point on the NY stuff. That may get me and those seem to be the most flimsy of all the charges.
 
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theFallGuy said:
just admit you loved the Apprentice
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I watched the Apprentice rigorously, good TV show. Trump did an excellent job and maintained great TV Ratings with it. It was a TV Show, but he got in over his head as a President. He did manage to complexion of Congress and Republican Party, I will give him credit for that as well. His 5th Season was not renewed as President. He also did well with Miss America Pageant, LOL. One scary dude when in Charge. Comments from contestants on the show told the true story of his show. Still doesn't change the fact that he is totally unfit to be President and he has managed to show his true colors and mental state. The Swamp is the Swamp and Trump has managed to expand it and claim a little bit of it.

The one thing is he has accomplished for all politicians is that a Honest Politician cannot get elected and if he does get elected he will be eaten up by the crowd waiting on him to arrive in Washington, DC. This has be going on for years Trump just proved it existed more so than ever before.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
He actually had at least 5 acting AGs and none of them brought those cases. I guess that cuts both ways, maybe cuts more in favor of your theory since he was clearly shopping for people to do certain things with Barr and the post-election acting AGs.

But isn’t that also consistent with what DOJ officials from the past several administrations have said, which is that DOJ makes every effort to remain independent from the president with respect to specific investigation and charging decisions?
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It would be consistent with what past DOJ officials have said. I emphasize past because I don’t believe that is the case now.
 
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whodeycin85 said:
What would be proof of election fraud for you?
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Certainly not tweeted opinions that started before the elections were actually held.

I would start with actual evidence. But not evidence that is based on a narrative or opinion - evidence that meets or exceeds legal standards. That is...

Admissible
This is the most basic rule and a measure of evidence validity and importance. The evidence must be preserved and gathered in such a way that it can be used in court or elsewhere. Many errors can be made that could cause a judge to rule a piece of evidence as inadmissible. For example, evidence that is gathered using illegal methods is commonly ruled inadmissible.

Authentic
The evidence must be tied to the incident in a relevant way to prove something. The forensic examiner must be accountable for the origin of the evidence.

Complete
When evidence is presented, it must be clear and complete and should reflect the whole story. It is not enough to collect evidence that just shows one perspective of the incident. Presenting incomplete evidence is more dangerous than not providing any evidence at all as it could lead to a different judgment.

Reliable
Evidence collected from the device must be reliable. This depends on the tools and methodology used. The techniques used and evidence collected must not cast doubt on the authenticity of the evidence. If the examiner used some techniques that cannot be reproduced, the evidence is not considered unless they were directed to do so. This would include possible destructive methods such as chip-off extraction.

Believable
A forensic examiner must be able to explain, with clarity and conciseness, what processes they used and the way the integrity of the evidence was preserved. The evidence presented by the examiner must be clear, easy to understand, and believable by jury.

There is a reason why Trumps screeches of "evidence of election fraud" never made it past the court of public opinion and into the court of law. None of it met the legal standard, certainly not to a degree or volume to constitute widespread voter fraud that would change the course of a general election.

Sadly, the Trumpers glommed onto Donny's twitter rants of "fraud" without ever stopping to consider why it never consisted of more than innuendo, thinly constructed narratives of incomplete video or other bits of hearsay. It all fell apart when held up to scrutiny, instead of questioning why - they bought into a national, multi-state, multi judge, multi jurisdiction legal conspiracy to screw donny. But that didn't matter because he was telling his supporters what they wanted to hear, that they were right, and he was the victim.
 
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hog88 said:
I'm betting he's convicted of most of the charges in NY and GA, some of the charges in the federal case that will be heard in FL and all of the charges in the federal case that will be heard in DC.

The NY convictions stick unless he can appeal to a federal court (IDK how that works), GA convictions overturned by a GA appeals court and all of the federal convictions overturned on appeal.
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If you think that all this is corrupt by the powers that be, then Trump will be in a jail cell somewhere. I have a tendency to think no matter how innocent or corrupt Trump is, there will be a back door meeting to determine and compromise on his fate. Neither Party is innocent, but more so neither party wants exposure.

Donald Trump and Biden are Candidates that are kind of like picking burgers out of your nose, when on your finger you try to flip it off, flick it off or roll it off. You can't the first thought is I wish I had never picked my nose and second thought is to cut part of finger off.
 
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Sudden Impact said:
If you think that all this is corrupt by the powers that be, then Trump will be in a jail cell somewhere. I have a tendency to think no matter how innocent or corrupt Trump is, there will be a back door meeting to determine and compromise on his fate. Neither Party is innocent, but more so neither party wants exposure.

Donald Trump and Biden are Candidates that are kind of like picking burgers out of your nose, when on your finger you try to flip it off, flick it off or roll it off. You can't the first thought is I wish I had never picked my nose and second thought is to cut part of finger off.
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🤭 Yeah, we have a deep state comprised of a couple of handfuls of distinctive cabals driving it. Seriously, we do have some well documented evidence of it in our history. Back in the mid-late 1980s, we had some well intentioned, but misguided individuals running global, black ops type operations in East Asia and Central America. Almost every operation involved some implementation on American soil. Results were insignificant and costly. Never mind our flip flops in Afghanistan

Edit: Western Asia too. More so than Eastern Asia
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Ok. But what is the basis for your belief that that isn’t happening now?
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Nothing solid, no hard evidence more of my inherent distrust of the government and the justice system. I don’t believe the people saying there was a separation in the past either.
 
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hog88 said:
Nothing solid, no hard evidence more of my inherent distrust of the government and the justice system. I don’t believe the people saying there was a separation in the past either.
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So you think it was all show in the past when Congressional members got on the mic and got red faced while arguing their positions? Or maybe because afterwards, they set aside their differences and agreed to compromise?
 
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This latest Georgia fusillade is utterly ridiculous, certainly at least concerning the alternative slate of electors.

Trump Indictment Four: Too much

That lays it out in laymans terms. Complete bats**t crazy. I get that they are throwing the kitchen sink in there to get RICO and then hope to turn some of his team but this isnt some drug lord where everyone is wiling to look the other way.
 
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