The (many) indictments of Donald Trump

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Franklin Pierce said:

Trump Must Pay Half a Billion Dollars Before He Can Appeal New York Decision​


Former President Donald Trump must pay nearly half a billion dollars as a bond to New York State before he can appeal the ruling by Judge Arthur Engoron last week that he must pay $354 million in fines — over $450 million, with interest — for fraud.

Critics have noted that Trump is the only person to be sued under an obscure New York fraud statue that does not require any harm to be done, and that effectively criminalizes the everyday practice of real estate valuations in negotiations with banks.

Though Attorney General Letitia James — who ran for office promising to target Trump — claimed that no one is above the law, her case against Trump marks the only such case in the history of the state. And the staggering fine is likewise unprecedented.

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Trump Must Pay Half a Billion Dollars Before He Can Appeal New York Decision

Former President Trump must pay nearly half a billion dollars as a bond to New York before he can appeal the ruling by Judge Arthur Engoron.
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Everyday practice doesn't include creating fake income statements to give to appraisers, lying about the size, or double counting revenue....

Everyday practice is finding independent, aggressive valuations with lofty projections.
 
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volgr said:
If you stand behind the lawfare against Trump and your fellow citizens, yes, you are absolute scum.
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I stand behind the so-called lawfare against Trump. He should not be allowed to run for President. He tried to overthrow the government. Period.
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
I'm not an attorney but I've been part of enough business/tax trials to know that clear, Statutory language dominates. The Statutory language at issue here clearly just requires a repeated pattern of fraudulent acts and not actual damages. The judge didn't have to pull a 40 year case to get there, it's just additional support for appeals.

This youtube lawyer pretty much avoids that discussion in the 25 mins I watched. I'll let @ClearwaterVol, @evillawyer or @RockyTop85 weigh in if the actual statute matters.

I do have significant issues with the judge's penalty calculations. In short, some of the evidence the judge relied on to show a repeated pattern also show the penalty proposed by the state's expert was BS. Trump's side did a poor job in fighting that but a basic common sense smell test should have been applied there...
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I don’t know anything about New York law and wasn’t about to watch a two hour video.

My only thoughts on the NY Civil case has been that there doesn’t have to be a victim. I assumed that argument had been presented as a prudential argument/evidence of politicization rather than a legal argument.

Looking at it in a legal framework:
The statute doesn’t appear to require an injured party.
The constitution doesn’t prohibit victimless crimes, I can’t imagine there’s any restriction on non-criminal sanctions for conduct that could but has not yet caused any harm, when there is a legitimate state interest in prohibiting the conduct.
There may be some creative constitutional arguments, state constitutional arguments, or statutory/common law arguments that I’m not aware of. If I had the inclination to spend 24 hours riling those things out, YouTube would not make the cut for how I would use my time (although this guy went to a decent school, seems not to have appeared on infowars, and is barred in the same state so he’s a big improvement over some of the others, on paper).
There are constitutional limits on fines and punitive damages but I’ve stayed out of arguing about whether any of the ones levied against Trump will be reduced because I don’t have anything more than a vague opinion.
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
One more thing. Trump's legal team missed the filings to get a jury trial here....
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That's the biggest F-up ever. I can't believe his lawyer screwed that up. Even in NY she would have been able to potentially land a Trumper to blow this up. I wonder if it's ground for tossing bc of competent council? I admit in advance I don't know if that's applicable here. But good god
 
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volfanhill said:
That's the biggest F-up ever. I can't believe his lawyer screwed that up. Even in NY she would have been able to potentially land a Trumper to blow this up. I wonder if it's ground for tossing bc of competent council? I admit in advance I don't know if that's applicable here. But good god
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This one is a little different than Carroll assault since it involved fraud so there was debate whether judge would have granted it.

But yeah, you file motion for jury trial, litigate that motion, appeal that motion, and have it as part of your appeal.

You are doing this, at a minimum, as a delay tactic...

Habba was thinking that they did check the box for a jury trial but they never did
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
Trump doesn't have a pristine history of paying his debts. Certainly has failed with start-ups
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Paying contractors, and paying banks, are two different things.

The Banks likely had a good idea as to what his liquidity was, in addition to what the accurate valuations on his properties were
 
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85SugarVol said:
Paying contractors, and paying banks, are two different things.

The Banks likely had a good idea as to what his liquidity was, in addition to what the accurate valuations on his properties were
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Agree but he was giving a personal guarantee and no bank would know the valuation of hundreds of JVs and LLCs all over the world. Yes, they know know the big stuff but this isn't a guy with one or two assets in a town asking for a refi...
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
Agree but he was giving a personal guarantee and no bank would know the valuation of hundreds of JVs and LLCs all over the world. Yes, they know know the big stuff but this isn't a guy with one or two assets in a town asking for a refi...
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I have no doubt the Banks knew who they were dealing with, and what he was bringing to the table.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
Lol. That's hilarious. The MSM has kept him in the spotlight ever since he was ousted from office. I have news for you Clyde, it isn't Trump that keeps bringing up Trump. You need a boogyman to deflect from the ****ing disaster you installed in the WH and Trump unfortunately obliged. What I don't get is why the left is so afraid of him. If y'all have a good candidate, why do you need to remove him from the ballots, and run multiple kangaroo courts? Just man up and beat him in a fair fight.
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He was beaten in a fair fight in 2020 and he and his idiot worshipers responded as we have seen...........
So your question is nonsensical.
We have an American populace where 30% look at Trump as the answer.....that's a national malignancy.
Until it is properly addressed, everything else is kind of secondary.
 
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TheManFromTenn said:
Typical Trump supporter. Incapable of a civil conversation and a waste of time.
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I dont think it's being incapable but more being exhausted arguing with a group that doesnt believe in mortality or objective truth...and in a society where everything is considered a social construct what is there to argue about.....objective truth...Russia arrests political opponent...Dems object.....Biden arrests Trump...Dems cheer..
 
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whodeycin85 said:
I dont think it's being incapable but more being exhausted arguing with a group that doesnt believe in mortality or objective truth...and in a society where everything is considered a social construct what is there to argue about.....objective truth...Russia arrests political opponent...Dems object.....Biden arrests Trump...Dems cheer..
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spare me the holier than thou speech.Trump campaigned on having his opponent locked up. It was literally chanted at his rallies

Your stand on truth is ridiculous as well. You no more want it than the other side
 
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whodeycin85 said:
Absolutely he said that...what were his actions???? I'm sorry his political rally chant hurt your heart
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It didn't but it makes your "objective truth" post laughable bs. Trump voters cheered the idea he wanted his opponents locked up. He didn't do it because they were friends but he knew the ignorant would eat it up. How many times did you chant it?
 
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