The (many) indictments of Donald Trump

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utvolpj said:
So you vote FOR Biden but actually didn't support him. I do not vote for Trump and I actually support him? Pretzel logic
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Logic is pretty clear.
I vote for Biden which is really a vote against Trump since Biden was unfortunately the only viable alternative.

I really don't get why you guys have such a hard time with this.
 
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luthervol said:
Logic is pretty clear.
I vote for Biden which is really a vote against Trump since Biden was unfortunately the only viable alternative.

I really don't get why you guys have such a hard time with this.
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I don't like my nose do I'll cut off my big toe.

Yep, makes as much sense as you do.
 
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luthervol said:
Logic is pretty clear.
I vote for Biden which is really a vote against Trump since Biden was unfortunately the only viable alternative.

I really don't get why you guys have such a hard time with this.
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But my vote against Trump AND Biden was actually a vote for Trump?

You ever use a bait caster and not get your thumb pressure quite right? The result is now called Luther logic
 
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utvolpj said:
But my vote against Trump AND Biden was actually a vote for Trump?

You ever use a bait caster and not get your thumb pressure quite right? The result is now called Luther logic
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Not at all. It was you saying you didn't care who won or lost.

I cared greatly who lost.......and so I voted accordingly.

and I guess that is the big difference.
 
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luthervol said:
Not at all. It was you saying you didn't care who won or lost.

I cared greatly who lost.......and so I voted accordingly.

and I guess that is the big difference.
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Of course I cared which is why I did the exact same thing as you - vote against Trump. You are trying to make yourself out to be better because you voted FOR Biden. I voted against him too since I knew he was too impaired to man the position. Turns out I was proven correct twice and you went 1-1. That's a big difference
 
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luthervol said:
The surest sign of derangement is thinking that Trump is even remotely an appropriate candidate for president.
The second surest sign is the inability to comprehend the first sign.
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You're cowards. Beat him at the ballot box in a fair fight. You know you can't do that so you'll cheat and try to tie his hands behind his back.... Anything to give your party a leg up.

It's not about 'democracy' with you people. It's about elitist control. Soviet Russia brought to our shores.
 
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I'm glad it was 9-0, was procedural, and I'm especially glad that they did not comment on whether he engaged in insurrection.

Hopefully, their rejection of the immunity claim will also be 9-0.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I'm glad it was 9-0, was procedural, and I'm especially glad that they did not comment on whether he engaged in insurrection.

Hopefully, their rejection of the immunity claim will also be 9-0.
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Exactly, because it would have been improper to speculate on an insurrection fantasy that isn't before them. But I'm guessing you were hoping for some sort of Perry Mason moment
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
Exactly, because it would have been improper to speculate on an insurrection fantasy that isn't before them. But I'm guessing you were hoping for some sort of Perry Mason moment
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We both know he’s not happy. If this would have went the other way, he would have immediately started a thread asking/ suggesting how the GOP should proceed. He would have lectured us on why this was the correct ruling. And it all would have been saturated in ignorance and TDS, because that’s all his brain can produce these days. He hates Trump more than he loves this country. That’s obvious.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I'm glad it was 9-0, was procedural, and I'm especially glad that they did not comment on whether he engaged in insurrection.

Hopefully, their rejection of the immunity claim will also be 9-0.
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This came up in another forum where I was defending Obama's drone attacks. I am curious to why you think Jan 6 was an insurrection?

Here is why I don't consider it one:

1. The group that storm the capital had no political support or means to actually overthrow our government, even if their main goals were accomplished
2. The threat quickly subsided after Jan 6 and there isn't any clear threat today (or even by Jan 7)

To me, it was more of a riot. Definitely they should have been prosecuted, I won't argue it there. However, I don't see how this "insurrection" could have effectively changed our government or any of the results.

It seems very overblown and political theater to me which is what drives me nuts about our politics in general. I would love to hear your viewpoint, however. I am also saying this in good faith and will read your input. I am hoping you take the same constructive view with me.

I don't like Trump and think he is a very sore loser but I also have a hard time tying him until a real attempt to overthrow our government. I do think Biden legitimately won the election, but I can also understand why Trump asked questions about the results.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
You're cowards. Beat him at the ballot box in a fair fight. You know you can't do that so you'll cheat and try to tie his hands behind his back.... Anything to give your party a leg up.

It's not about 'democracy' with you people. It's about elitist control. Soviet Russia brought to our shores.
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Just want to remind anyone that democracy is **** anyway.
 
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utvolpj said:
Of course I cared which is why I did the exact same thing as you - vote against Trump. You are trying to make yourself out to be better because you voted FOR Biden. I voted against him too since I knew he was too impaired to man the position. Turns out I was proven correct twice and you went 1-1. That's a big difference
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So you didn't want Biden or Trump to win equally?
Or are you saying you refused to acknowledge the fact that it was going to be one or the other?
Or are you acknowledging that fact yet still refusing to vote for either.....because you didn't care who won or lost.

Here's the hypothetical (which was actually pretty much the reality).......
Pick one of the two choices.
_____ Trump wins and I don't vote for Biden.
_____ I vote for Biden and Trump loses.

Those were the two ultimate choices on the grand scale.

Did you care who won and who lost between Biden and Trump?
I guess it boils down to your answer to that simple question.....no need to dodge.
 
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volbound1700 said:
This came up in another forum where I was defending Obama's drone attacks. I am curious to why you think Jan 6 was an insurrection?

Here is why I don't consider it one:

1. The group that storm the capital had no political support or means to actually overthrow our government, even if their main goals were accomplished
2. The threat quickly subsided after Jan 6 and there isn't any clear threat today (or even by Jan 7)

To me, it was more of a riot. Definitely they should have been prosecuted, I won't argue it there. However, I don't see how this "insurrection" could have effectively changed our government or any of the results.

It seems very overblown and political theater to me which is what drives me nuts about our politics in general. I would love to hear your viewpoint, however. I am also saying this in good faith and will read your input. I am hoping you take the same constructive view with me.

I don't like Trump and think he is a very sore loser but I also have a hard time tying him until a real attempt to overthrow our government. I do think Biden legitimately won the election, but I can also understand why Trump asked questions about the results.
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I agree with that analysis as to most of the people involved in the physical rioting, but I don’t think it extends to the candidate or the campaign.

Do you disagree that the plan was to secure an unelected second “term” for Trump?

At that point, doesn’t it cease to be “our government,” even if he continues to exercise executive control over the same government agencies an institutions.

The riot also wasn’t the only step taken in furtherance of that objective. There was the whole process of organizing the production of fake electoral votes and having them submitted plus the request and subsequent pressure campaign on Pence to open them instead of the legitimate votes.

Their objective was to establish what would be properly categorized as a form of dictatorship and they took steps to try to see that objective come to fruition. It ultimately failed, but they still tried.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
You're cowards. Beat him at the ballot box in a fair fight. You know you can't do that so you'll cheat and try to tie his hands behind his back.... Anything to give your party a leg up.

It's not about 'democracy' with you people. It's about elitist control. Soviet Russia brought to our shores.
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Nothing cowardly about saying Trump is a horrendously despicable human who should have never been nominated once, much less three times.
 
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luthervol said:
So you didn't want Biden or Trump to win equally?
Or are you saying you refused to acknowledge the fact that it was going to be one or the other?
Or are you acknowledging that fact yet still refusing to vote for either.....because you didn't care who won or lost.

Here's the hypothetical (which was actually pretty much the reality).......
Pick one of the two choices.
_____ Trump wins and I don't vote for Biden.
_____ I vote for Biden and Trump loses.

Those were the two ultimate choices on the grand scale.

Did you care who won and who lost between Biden and Trump?
I guess it boils down to your answer to that simple question.....no need to dodge.
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i would have preferred Trump win over Biden but not enough to vote for him as found neither as acceptable candidates
 
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luthervol said:
Nothing cowardly about saying Trump is a horrendously despicable human who should have never been nominated once, much less three times.
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Yeah there is. You justify what your party is doing with your hatred of the man's personality.

You are a party of cowards.

Offer up a fair fight if what I say isn't true.
 
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