The (many) indictments of Donald Trump

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volbound1700 said:
My point is that none of it has been proven yet. It is in court. Basically innocent until found guilty argument. There has also been a lot of fraud around these court proceedings (see Fani Willis situation right now).

I would rather wait until this sort itself out. There is a lot of weaponization of the court/justice system in our society to go after the opposition. Sadly, I have even seen it at the state level.
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I agree that very few criminal cases of seditious conspiracy have been proven and that even fewer cases related to the campaign’s actions have been resolved. Those of the latter that have been settled have had minimal consequences.

Beyond a reasonable doubt is not the standard for internet discussions. And even after today, a criminal conviction isn’t required to disqualify a candidate, even though the court went outside of its own rules of judicial restraint to avoid deciding Trump’s eligibility down the road (See Trump v. Anderson: Barrett and Sotomayor concurring opinions).

So, I don’t agree that it hasn’t been proven yet. We know what happened and what their intended outcome was. It’s just a matter of how much it bothers you.
 
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utvolpj said:
The party you continually support blocks any potential 3rd party from getting equal time. It's impossible to support them and actually want a 3rd party
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Support how exactly? I give them no money.

Do you actually think that not voting for either of the major parties when they are the only two viable candidates on the ballot serves a true and beneficial purpose? Really, what exactly do you think you are accomplishing?

I will continue to do all I can to have a viable 3rd party candidate on the ballot; but if there is not one, I'm not about to throw away my vote when I have a strong preference between the two viable candidates.
 
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luthervol said:
Support how exactly? I give them no money.

Do you actually think that not voting for either of the major parties when they are the only two viable candidates on the ballot serves a true and beneficial purpose? Really, what exactly do you think you are accomplishing?

I will continue to do all I can to have a viable 3rd party candidate on the ballot; but if there is not one, I'm not about to throw away my vote when I have a strong preference between the two viable candidates.
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You continue to support whatever corpse they prop up on stage. That's all the support they need. It tells them they're doing what their voters want

3rd party participation is based on votes so it is absolutely, 100% beneficial. In fact, it's the only way for it to happen since the party you support has made it increasingly more difficult for a 3rd party to get any chance
 
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utvolpj said:
You continue to support whatever corpse they prop up on stage. That's all the support they need. It tells them they're doing what their voters want

3rd party participation is based on votes so it is absolutely, 100% beneficial. In fact, it's the only way for it to happen since the party you support has made it increasingly more difficult for a 3rd party to get any chance
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"the party you support"

If Haley runs third party, will it be Trump or Biden who angles the most to prevent it? I think it would be Trump because she'd be well-funded by standard Republicans who are embarrassed by Trump in the extreme.
 
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Jxn Vol said:
Nah. I like no wars, low inflation, secure border, and low minority unemployment.

On the other hand we could get the exact opposite. Which is what the pedo dementia patient has provided the past 3 years.
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Secure border?

Guess who is #2 on the list of the most porous southern border in American history? Hint: It rhymes with Ronald Trump.

You should also educate yourself on what causes inflation, when the left and right try to point at the POTUS - it screams "I'm a low information partisan."

I like no wars too - the U.S. hasn't declared war since WW2. What cracks me up about the trumpers is that they point at this "wAR!" as some sort of gambit. You guys whine when we get into conflicts that protect American interests and allies and then whine about the Left being soft on our enemies when they don't. Pick a lane.

No one here believes you care about minority unemployment and whether it bounces from 3% to 6%. If it really is a sticking point for you (it isn't) then it must destroy you to know that Donny's averages for black employment were higher than Biden's.

If you're going to cherry pick line items that you think make Donny's admin look better than Biden's then you should dig a little deeper because you're really just pointing out how similar they both are.

Lastly, if you need to fabricate a position like calling Biden a "pedo", then your position isn't as strong as you would have everyone believe.
 
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utvolpj said:
You continue to support whatever corpse they prop up on stage. That's all the support they need. It tells them they're doing what their voters want

3rd party participation is based on votes so it is absolutely, 100% beneficial. In fact, it's the only way for it to happen since the party you support has made it increasingly more difficult for a 3rd party to get any chance
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Obviously we are in a loop headed nowhere.

Here's hoping for a viable 3rd party candidate........sooner rather than later.

And even more importantly, that Trump gets nowhere near the White House.
 
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lawgator1 said:
"the party you support"

If Haley runs third party, will it be Trump or Biden who angles the most to prevent it? I think it would be Trump because she'd be well-funded by standard Republicans who are embarrassed by Trump in the extreme.
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She's funded by the make war machine who currently leans left
 
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luthervol said:
Obviously we are in a loop headed nowhere.

Here's hoping for a viable 3rd party candidate........sooner rather than later.

And even more importantly, that Trump gets nowhere near the White House.
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Right. Here's hoping a 3rd party can get enough votes to become viable. So many claim they want one yet can't escape the major party gravity when given a golden opportunity
 
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utvolpj said:
Right. Here's hoping a 3rd party can get enough votes to become viable. So many claim they want one yet can't escape the major party gravity when given a golden opportunity
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Yea, you have it backwards. But if it's taking a vote away from Trump, more power to you.
 
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Septic said:
Secure border?

Guess who is #2 on the list of the most porous southern border in American history? Hint: It rhymes with Ronald Trump.

You should also educate yourself on what causes inflation, when the left and right try to point at the POTUS - it screams "I'm a low information partisan."

I like no wars too - the U.S. hasn't declared war since WW2. What cracks me up about the trumpers is that they point at this "wAR!" as some sort of gambit. You guys whine when we get into conflicts that protect American interests and allies and then whine about the Left being soft on our enemies when they don't. Pick a lane.

No one here believes you care about minority unemployment and whether it bounces from 3% to 6%. If it really is a sticking point for you (it isn't) then it must destroy you to know that Donny's averages for black employment were higher than Biden's.

If you're going to cherry pick line items that you think make Donny's admin look better than Biden's then you should dig a little deeper because you're really just pointing out how similar they both are.

Lastly, if you need to fabricate a position like calling Biden a "pedo", then your position isn't as strong as you would have everyone believe.
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Sepdic, I have you on manual ignore. Move along goober.
 
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Why would someone so innocent try to exhaust any and every executive immunity avenue, exerting 110% to delay the trials? It's damn hilarious this guy might be President again. If you're not too thin skinned about it and have a grip on reality, it could be entertaining if he is reelected. Just because of the meltdown from his base when he actually governs again
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
Why would someone so innocent try to exhaust any and every executive immunity avenue, exerting 110% to delay the trials? It's damn hilarious this guy might be President again. If you're not too thin skinned about it and have a grip on reality, it could be entertaining if he is reelected. Just because of the meltdown from his base when he actually governs again
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Witnesses get older. Memories fade. Those in charge change. Cost a lot of $$$ to prosecute

Stall and delay is a widely used tactic....
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
Why would someone so innocent try to exhaust any and every executive immunity avenue, exerting 110% to delay the trials? It's damn hilarious this guy might be President again. If you're not too thin skinned about it and have a grip on reality, it could be entertaining if he is reelected. Just because of the meltdown from his base when he actually governs again
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a defendant defending themselves - truly radical
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
Witnesses get older. Memories fade. Those in charge change. Cost a lot of $$$ to prosecute

Stall and delay is a widely used tactic....
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Yes. If you're likely guilty of some of the charges. The documents case will likely be judicated before the election. It's the most damning, and no it's not anything like other instances of Presidents keeping documents.
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
Yes. If you're likely guilty of some of the charges. The documents case will likely be judicated before the election. It's the most damning, and no it's not anything like other instances of Presidents keeping documents.
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He wins, he makes it go away. He loses and the Ds may just choose to let it go...

I'd stall if I were him too...
 
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