The (many) indictments of Donald Trump

LOL OK chief.
I really hope you don’t play poker because you would get trounced like you do on this forum consistently. Your “LOL OK Chief” response is your tell, you do it all the time when you know a post is true and you have no rational response. It’s funny as hell, sad and pathetic, but also funny as hell seeing a defeated, low self esteem person squirm.
 
I really hope you don’t play poker because you would get trounced like you do on this forum consistently. Your “LOL OK Chief” response is your tell, you do it all the time when you know a post is true and you have no rational response. It’s funny as hell, sad and pathetic, but also funny as hell seeing a defeated, low self esteem person squirm.
LOL
 
Hey McRibs check out this picture of Stormy Daniels I found.

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Just kidding. That's Bill Clinton's sexual assault victim and hush money recipient.
 
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Or be a Democrat.

Paula Jones and her $850,000 hush money payout says hi. But I guess THAT wasn't a crime.


If you Socialists didn't have double standards, you wouldn't have any standards at all.
If that is all Trump had to worry about it would have been over by now.
He can't keep his mouth Shut and has many more other issues to deal with in the future.
You need to look at the big picture of Trump --- Jimbo.
 
If that is all Trump had to worry about it would have been over by now.
He can't keep his mouth Shut and has many more other issues to deal with in the future.
You need to look at the big picture of Trump --- Jimbo.
I won't argue the fact that he needs to stfu. That still doesn't change the fact that the laws are being unequally applied. Clinton paid hush money and was not charged criminally. I hope Trump wins in the biggest landslide in history
 
I won't argue the fact that he needs to stfu. That still doesn't change the fact that the laws are being unequally applied. Clinton paid hush money and was not charged criminally. I hope Trump wins in the biggest landslide in history
Duh its fair because Trump talks too much trash about the DNC and fake news..he hurts lost of feelings with his tweets.
 
I won't argue the fact that he needs to stfu. That still doesn't change the fact that the laws are being unequally applied. Clinton paid hush money and was not charged criminally. I hope Trump wins in the biggest landslide in history
If you really want have to go back 25+ years to prove your point, then that is your choice. To compare the acceptable standards between then and now for court. The act itself, paying hush money, pretty common event.

Accounting for it, is not, except in the world of Trump. Probably why Bragg kicked the case in the first place, misdemeanor and not worth it. Then, NY followed the money and built a case of where we are today. Still petty but a chargeable offence and a felony.

I always stated that the Democrats will throw the kitchen sink at Trump and they will. He has done well to delay but his mouth can't shut down the NY cases as he continues to dig his hole.
 
I won't argue the fact that he needs to stfu. That still doesn't change the fact that the laws are being unequally applied. Clinton paid hush money and was not charged criminally. I hope Trump wins in the biggest landslide in history

Trump ain't being charged because he paid hush money. He is being charged because he falsified (almost certainly) his business records to cover up another crime (campaign finance???? -I'm skeptical of this).

But no, these two situations aren't the same and repeating it over and over wont change that they arent the same....
 
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Is the DA required to disclose al charges?? And if so why isn't he required to articulate the crime that he is accusing Trump of covering up leads of to the current felony charge, wouldn't that need to be disclosed??
 
I really hope you don’t play poker because you would get trounced like you do on this forum consistently. Your “LOL OK Chief” response is your tell, you do it all the time when you know a post is true and you have no rational response. It’s funny as hell, sad and pathetic, but also funny as hell seeing a defeated, low self esteem person squirm.

Comedy, you saying someone doesn't have a rational response. All your responses are emotionally fragile cries about trump.
 
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Trump ain't being charged because he paid hush money. He is being charged because he falsified (almost certainly) his business records to cover up another crime (campaign finance???? -I'm skeptical of this).

But no, these two situations aren't the same and repeating it over and over wont change that they arent the same....

He's being tried because he's not a dem. This is a witch hunt, a political lynching. Nothing more.
 
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Trump ain't being charged because he paid hush money. He is being charged because he falsified (almost certainly) his business records to cover up another crime (campaign finance???? -I'm skeptical of this).

But no, these two situations aren't the same and repeating it over and over wont change that they arent the same....
He only knows what Trump says and everyone is lying
 
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Election interference is what your fed is really doing. All a witch hunt.
Keep telling yourself if that is what you believe. Trump's mouth and his delays of the trials are interfering with this election. Could have gotten it over with and then called it a witch hunt after the conclusion. Afterall, he is innocent.

Instead, his interference in Congress' bills continues to drag this out and just keeps the Republican Party split. The election Interference saga is his platform and that is basically the tale of the tape with Trump. That is all he has got! Sad that some of you follow it. Most of which are RINOs or MAGAs and have a "zero platform" or reason to be solid ground. Best of luck to you and the others.
Trump has got nothing but false promises. Never about what he will do of any substance more about what he wants for himself. OBTW, not my FED...
 
@RockyTop85
Is the DA required to disclose al charges?? And if so why isn't he required to articulate the crime that he is accusing Trump of covering up leads of to the current felony charge, wouldn't that need to be disclosed??
The defendant has to receive sufficient notice of the accusation. If the state fails to give that, the defendant can move to dismiss the indictment.

The specificity required in the indictment is not much. Generally it must allege the elements of a crime, give a timeframe, and establish venue (“in the county aforesaid.”)

“Our prior cases indicate that an indictment is sufficient if it, first, contains the elements of the offense charged and fairly informs a defendant of the charge against which he must defend, and, second, enables him to plead an acquittal or conviction in bar of future prosecutions for the same offense. Hagner v. United States, 285 U. S. 427 (1932); United States v. Debrow, 346 U. S. 374 (1953). It is generally sufficient that an indictment set forth the offense in the words of the statute itself, as long as "those words of themselves fully, directly, and expressly, without any uncertainty or ambiguity, set forth all the elements necessary to constitute the offence intended to be punished." United States v. Carll, 105 U. S. 611, 612 (1882). "Undoubtedly the language of the statute may be used in the general description of an offence, but it must be accompanied with such a statement of the facts and circumstances as will inform the accused *118 of the specific offence, coming under the general description, with which he is charged." United States v. Hess, 124 U. S. 483, 487 (1888).”


If the indictment is technically sufficient, the defendant can move for a bill of particulars and allege that they need more information.

From the 2nd Circuit:
“In denying the motions for bills of particulars by Cruz and other defendants,[6] the district court characterized these efforts as "ill-disguised attempts at general pre-trial discovery," United States v. Torres, No. S. 87 Cr. 593 (JMW), slip op. at 27, adding: "The indictment adequately advises defendants of the specific acts of which they are accused. Moreover, the defendants have been provided with a wealth of evidentiary detail from the discovery to date, including electronic intercepts, search evidence and exhaustive supporting affidavits." Id. at 28.

“We agree. "The function of a bill of particulars is to provide defendant with information about the details of the charge against him if this is necessary to the preparation of his defense, and to avoid prejudicial surprise at the trial." 1 C. Wright, Federal Practice and Procedure § 129, at 434-35 (2d ed. 1982); see also United States v. Bortnovsky, 820 F.2d 572, 574 (2d Cir.1987). "A bill of particulars should be required only where the charges of the indictment are so general that they do not advise the defendant of the specific acts of which he is accused." United States v. Feola, 651 F.Supp. 1068, 1132 (S.D.N.Y.1987), aff'd, 875 F.2d 857 (2d Cir.)(mem.), cert. denied, ___ U.S. ___, 110 S.Ct. 110, 107 L.Ed.2d 72 (1989); see also United States v. Leonelli, 428 F.Supp. 880, 882 (S.D.N.Y.1977). "Whether to grant a bill of particulars rests within the sound discretion of the district court." United States v. Panza, 750 F.2d 1141, 1148 (2d Cir.1984) (citing United States v. Burgin, 621 F.2d 1352, 1358-59 (5th Cir.), cert. denied, 449 U.S. 1015, 101 S.Ct. 574, 66 L.Ed.2d 474 (1980)); see also Bortnovsky, 820 F.2d at 574. "Acquisition of evidentiary detail is not the function of the bill of particulars." Hemphill v. United States, 392 F.2d 45, 49 (8th Cir.), cert. denied, 393 U.S. 877, 89 S.Ct. 176, 21 L.Ed.2d 149 (1968). "So long as the defendant was adequately informed of the charges against him and was not unfairly surprised at trial as a consequence of the denial of the bill of particulars, the trial court has not abused its discretion." United States v. Maull, 806 F.2d 1340, 1345-46 (8th Cir.1986), cert. denied, 480 U.S. 907, 107 S.Ct. 1352, 94 L.Ed.2d 522 (1987).“


The denial of a bill of particulars is not an issue worth raising on appeal. The trial judge basically gets the last word.
 
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The defendant has to receive sufficient notice of the accusation. If the state fails to give that, the defendant can move to dismiss the indictment.

The specificity required in the indictment is not much. Generally it must allege the elements of a crime, give a timeframe, and establish venue (“in the county aforesaid.”)

“Our prior cases indicate that an indictment is sufficient if it, first, contains the elements of the offense charged and fairly informs a defendant of the charge against which he must defend, and, second, enables him to plead an acquittal or conviction in bar of future prosecutions for the same offense. Hagner v. United States, 285 U. S. 427 (1932); United States v. Debrow, 346 U. S. 374 (1953). It is generally sufficient that an indictment set forth the offense in the words of the statute itself, as long as "those words of themselves fully, directly, and expressly, without any uncertainty or ambiguity, set forth all the elements necessary to constitute the offence intended to be punished." United States v. Carll, 105 U. S. 611, 612 (1882). "Undoubtedly the language of the statute may be used in the general description of an offence, but it must be accompanied with such a statement of the facts and circumstances as will inform the accused *118 of the specific offence, coming under the general description, with which he is charged." United States v. Hess, 124 U. S. 483, 487 (1888).”


If the indictment is technically sufficient, the defendant can move for a bill of particulars and allege that they need more information.

From the 2nd Circuit:
“In denying the motions for bills of particulars by Cruz and other defendants,[6] the district court characterized these efforts as "ill-disguised attempts at general pre-trial discovery," United States v. Torres, No. S. 87 Cr. 593 (JMW), slip op. at 27, adding: "The indictment adequately advises defendants of the specific acts of which they are accused. Moreover, the defendants have been provided with a wealth of evidentiary detail from the discovery to date, including electronic intercepts, search evidence and exhaustive supporting affidavits." Id. at 28.

“We agree. "The function of a bill of particulars is to provide defendant with information about the details of the charge against him if this is necessary to the preparation of his defense, and to avoid prejudicial surprise at the trial." 1 C. Wright, Federal Practice and Procedure § 129, at 434-35 (2d ed. 1982); see also United States v. Bortnovsky, 820 F.2d 572, 574 (2d Cir.1987). "A bill of particulars should be required only where the charges of the indictment are so general that they do not advise the defendant of the specific acts of which he is accused." United States v. Feola, 651 F.Supp. 1068, 1132 (S.D.N.Y.1987), aff'd, 875 F.2d 857 (2d Cir.)(mem.), cert. denied, ___ U.S. ___, 110 S.Ct. 110, 107 L.Ed.2d 72 (1989); see also United States v. Leonelli, 428 F.Supp. 880, 882 (S.D.N.Y.1977). "Whether to grant a bill of particulars rests within the sound discretion of the district court." United States v. Panza, 750 F.2d 1141, 1148 (2d Cir.1984) (citing United States v. Burgin, 621 F.2d 1352, 1358-59 (5th Cir.), cert. denied, 449 U.S. 1015, 101 S.Ct. 574, 66 L.Ed.2d 474 (1980)); see also Bortnovsky, 820 F.2d at 574. "Acquisition of evidentiary detail is not the function of the bill of particulars." Hemphill v. United States, 392 F.2d 45, 49 (8th Cir.), cert. denied, 393 U.S. 877, 89 S.Ct. 176, 21 L.Ed.2d 149 (1968). "So long as the defendant was adequately informed of the charges against him and was not unfairly surprised at trial as a consequence of the denial of the bill of particulars, the trial court has not abused its discretion." United States v. Maull, 806 F.2d 1340, 1345-46 (8th Cir.1986), cert. denied, 480 U.S. 907, 107 S.Ct. 1352, 94 L.Ed.2d 522 (1987).“


The denial of a bill of particulars is not an issue worth raising on appeal. The trial judge basically gets the last word.
I'll be honest I'm don't fully understand that. I understand the fraud charges (the misdemeanor), but the the link to the other crime making it felony as not been revealed as of yet correct? If it has then nevermind, but don't all charges of crimes have to be revealed??..if the above explained it maybe you can break it down in laymans terms for me
 
That’s some top shelf whining. Stop being a pansy and blaming everyone but the person who actually deserves the blame for their actions. Grow a spine.
It's the Trump way. Whining, belly aching and constant pleading.

For the tough guy persona he desperately wants, he sure comes off like a little bitch.
 
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