The (many) indictments of Donald Trump

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whodeycin85 said:
I'll be honest I'm don't fully understand that. I understand the fraud charges (the misdemeanor), but the the link to the other crime making it felony as not been revealed as of yet correct? If it has then nevermind, but don't all charges of crimes have to be revealed??..if the above explained it maybe you can break it down in laymans terms for me
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Sorry. Maybe I jumped ahead a bit.

He’s not charged with the crimes that make it a felony. He’s not being punished for those crimes. So the state does not have to allege or prove all the elements of those crimes beyond a reasonable doubt.

That he crimed to cover up another crime (or in furtherance of another crime) is an element of the charged crime that, if proven, enhances it to a felony.

I would think they would have to give some notice of which crimes they’re using to prove the enhancement, I’ve seen a little bit of discussion about the crimes they’re using, I don’t know when/how long ago/how much information they’ve given.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Sorry. Maybe I jumped ahead a bit.

He’s not charged with the crimes that make it a felony. He’s not being punished for those crimes. So the state does not have to allege or prove all the elements of those crimes beyond a reasonable doubt.

That he crimed to cover up another crime (or in furtherance of another crime) is an element of the charged crime that, if proven, enhances it to a felony.

I would think they would have to give some notice of which crimes they’re using to prove the enhancement, I’ve seen a little bit of discussion about the crimes they’re using, I don’t know when/how long ago/how much information they’ve given.
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Thank you for that..makes more sense now...seems that without charging for the coverup crime, would be a major weakness in the case...maybe my thinking is off but without the coverup crime actually being charged or convicted, how can it be said there was a crime. Innocent till proven guilty and all that...I feel like it'd be a cop giving a felony speeding ticket for 5 over because the driver might have committed a more serious crime but we aren't gonna charge them for that...I guess why are they not going after the coverup crime as well?
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
I'm sure he's lying about something, but he's being persecuted at a far higher level than anyone else. Why is the left so afraid that they can't run against him in a straight up election? Ya'll are a bunch of ****ing cowards.
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Well, first, "the left" didn't meet and decide to do this last week. Been going on quite awhile. Second, at some point you will have to acknowledge that Trump's conduct in these cases is at a bare minimum horrible judgment. Vote against him because he's impulsive and unsophisticated, if nothing else.
 
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dalton_vol said:
Election interference is what your fed is really doing. All a witch hunt.
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34 Felony indictments and you are calling it a witch hunt. Try again. 1 or 2 I would call it a witch hunt as well, but 34 is what it is. 34 indictments all met the legal standards for charges.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Well, first, "the left" didn't meet and decide to do this last week. Been going on quite awhile. Second, at some point you will have to acknowledge that Trump's conduct in these cases is at a bare minimum horrible judgment. Vote against him because he's impulsive and unsophisticated, if nothing else.
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Yep. It started the day he beat the most qualified woman to ever run for president. I'll vote for him because even his own party hates him.

Biden = Harris This country won't survive that.
 
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Sudden Impact said:
34 Felony indictments and you are calling it a witch hunt. Try again. 1 or 2 I would call it a witch hunt as well, but 34 is what it is. 34 indictments all met the legal standards for charges.
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And not a single peep about then Senator Biden having classified documents all over creation. Yeah. People with any modicum of intelligence see this for what it is.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
And not a single peep about then Senator Biden having classified documents all over creation. Yeah. People with any modicum of intelligence see this for what it is.
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Can you not stay on subject? You bounce around like a pinball and shift it to Biden. What is your problem? Trump, Higher Standard? No. He has been coddled too much. When jailed you can whine about that, these Judges are not going to give Trump any fuel. Your disagreements are laughable.

Put your big boy pants on, Alice.
 
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Sudden Impact said:
Can you not stay on subject? You bounce around like a pinball and shift it to Biden. What is your problem? Trump, Higher Standard? No. He has been coddled too much. When jailed you can whine about that, these Judges are not going to give Trump any fuel. Your disagreements are laughable.

Put your big boy pants on, Alice.
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I don't find one thing about the left's tactics funny. You are turning us into a banana republic.



Cowards.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
I don't find one thing about the left's tactics funny. You are turning us into a banana republic.



Cowards.
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You are the one hiding behind Trump's illegal skirt. What's more, you are using the words "Banana Republic" which seems to be the opinion and words that come from DJT and DJT Jr's mouths. So don't blame the wrong people. Only people attempting to turn this country into a banana republic are the ones calling it one. They are idiots and I guess you will learn to have a complete thought one day and recognize who you are following. Entitled Much.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
I'm sure he's lying about something, but he's being persecuted at a far higher level than anyone else. Why is the left so afraid that they can't run against him in a straight up election? Ya'll are a bunch of ****ing cowards.
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Wow, such hostility, and all over the board with it.😯 It will be pure entertainment if The Donald wins the election. Neither Biden nor Trump should be anywhere near the White House, so I try to look for positives either way, since neither being POTUS has a drastic affect on my family's lifestyle. You need to ease up on the tribal BS
 
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Sudden Impact said:
I agree and some idiot will change the words of Execution to Crucifixion and call Trump, Jesus. Moscow Marge already has done so.
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Hey fence rider, do your female parts full of splinters yet?

Oh and we appreciate your Uniparty Speaker for funding Ukraine again. This is the deal now. I’ve been saying it for a long time and it’s true. It’s the uniparty against the citizens. Even the ones that straddle the fence.
 
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Jxn Vol said:
Hey fence rider, do your female parts full of splinters yet?

Oh and we appreciate your Uniparty Speaker for funding Ukraine again. This is the deal now. I’ve been saying it for a long time and it’s true. It’s the uniparty against the citizens. Even the ones that straddle the fence.
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Good for you, you get a gold star for the refrigerator. Proud of yourself you can use it for share and tell. Are you still trying to figure out your gender?
 
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Jxn Vol said:
Hey fence rider, do your female parts full of splinters yet?

Oh and we appreciate your Uniparty Speaker for funding Ukraine again. This is the deal now. I’ve been saying it for a long time and it’s true. It’s the uniparty against the citizens. Even the ones that straddle the fence.
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Bless your heart 😉
 
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Sudden Impact said:
Good for you, you get a gold star for the refrigerator. Proud of yourself you can use it for share and tell. Are you still trying to figure out your gender?
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I can’t help it you suck so bad. Your positions are terrible and you are easily one of the slimiest posters on the board.

Splinter boy or girl
 
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Jxn Vol said:
Hey fence rider, do your female parts full of splinters yet?

Oh and we appreciate your Uniparty Speaker for funding Ukraine again. This is the deal now. I’ve been saying it for a long time and it’s true. It’s the uniparty against the citizens. Even the ones that straddle the fence.
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I Guess you are Pro Russian, never served and totally have no understanding of how the world works.
 
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Sudden Impact said:
I Guess you are Pro Russian, never served and totally have no understanding of how the world works.
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I’m pro American. Pro Constitution. Somewhat of a Libertarian isolationist that despises big government fence sitters that think they know so much but are actually quit stupid.
 
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Jxn Vol said:
I can’t help it you suck so bad. Your positions are terrible and you are easily one of the slimiest posters on the board.

Splinter boy or girl
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I see a lot of spoiled child in you with lots of drama. No clear thought process and you. Can't sustain an argrument without insult or shifting blame.
 
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