The (many) indictments of Donald Trump

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Robert Barnes
@barnes_law

Appeal grounds for #TrumpVerdict:
1/ #1stA violations in selective prosecution;
2/ #5thA due process violations in conflicted prosecutor, compromised judge & prejudicial jury;
3/ #5thA due process violations in conviction on an unidentified crime, without unanimity or beyond reasonable doubt;
4/ Article 2 & #ImpeachmentClause violation for prosecution of a President for acts while President without impeachment or conviction;
5/ #5A violations for government withholding discovery, suborning perjury, denying continuance, judges intimidating witnesses & limiting closing arguments.
Just the Constitutional top 5 problems. Many more identified herein as well.

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Elon Musk
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Indeed, great damage was done today to the public’s faith in the American legal system.

If a former President can be criminally convicted over such a trivial matter – motivated by politics, rather than justice – then anyone is at risk of a similar fate.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Biden has ZERO to do with this. You know better than to suggest he had a role in this. But I know, I know. Alternative facts and all.
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You think the leader of the Democratic party and his administration had ZERO to do with bringing charges against his popular political opponent in a highly blue district in a highly blue state while the presiding judge's daughter uses the case to raise 90 million dollars for the Democrat party...

Must be nice to live in fantasy land
 
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jmacvols1 said:
Robert Barnes
@barnes_law

Appeal grounds for #TrumpVerdict:
1/ #1stA violations in selective prosecution;
2/ #5thA due process violations in conflicted prosecutor, compromised judge & prejudicial jury;
3/ #5thA due process violations in conviction on an unidentified crime, without unanimity or beyond reasonable doubt;
4/ Article 2 & #ImpeachmentClause violation for prosecution of a President for acts while President without impeachment or conviction;
5/ #5A violations for government withholding discovery, suborning perjury, denying continuance, judges intimidating witnesses & limiting closing arguments.
Just the Constitutional top 5 problems. Many more identified herein as well.

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Elon Musk
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Indeed, great damage was done today to the public’s faith in the American legal system.

If a former President can be criminally convicted over such a trivial matter – motivated by politics, rather than justice – then anyone is at risk of a similar fate.
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I cant believe no one is talking about how this is a huge victory for women and one step closer to closing the wage gap with men.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Biden has ZERO to do with this. You know better than to suggest he had a role in this. But I know, I know. Alternative facts and all.
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You are correct if you are saying Biden doesn't know he had anything to do with it, because he probably has no clue whats going on other than its butterscotch puddin' day at the Whitehouse on Fridays.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Do you actually think he's innocent? Or do you prefer it be overlooked because he's running for office ?

Seems to me the MAGA crowd have insisted on legal accountability for lots of Dem politicians over the years. But shoe's on the other foot and suddenly it's bad process to hold an active candidate accountable?


Hmmmm... lot of hypocrisy up in here today.
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Literally everyone acknowledges these alleged crimes are insignificant and he won't serve a day in jail. Not only that, but the DOJ and SCOTUS both said the case didn't hold any merit. And the way FECA is written, it's literally impossible to tell 100% if any law was actually broken. And finally, this entire case hinged on the word of a perjurer and an admitted thief. The fact that the prosecution even used him as their primary witness was extremely unethical, and rather unprecedented in a case as trivial as this.

I'm never been a fan of Trump but only a party hack couldn't see how this case was a political hit job and an enormous waste of tax payer money.
 
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Carp said:
Literally everyone acknowledges these alleged crimes are insignificant and he won't serve a day in jail. Not only that, but the DOJ and SCOTUS both said the case didn't hold any merit. And the FECA is written, it's literally impossible to tell 100% if any law was actually broken. And finally, this entire case hinged on the word of a perjurer and an admitted thief. The fact that the prosecution even used him as their primary witness was extremely unethical, and rather unprecedented in a case as trivial as this.

I'm never been a fan of Trump but only a party hack couldn't see how this case was a political hit job and an enormous waste of tax payer money.
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The democrats needed something to campaign on.....Orange Man Bad!
 
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“You should do like I do and just kill the b*tch-ass lawyer that you think is going to rat on you.” - Hillary’s pretrial advice to Trump, probably
 
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Carp said:
Literally everyone acknowledges these alleged crimes are insignificant and he won't serve a day in jail. Not only that, but the DOJ and SCOTUS both said the case didn't hold any merit. And the way FECA is written, it's literally impossible to tell 100% if any law was actually broken. And finally, this entire case hinged on the word of a perjurer and an admitted thief. The fact that the prosecution even used him as their primary witness was extremely unethical, and rather unprecedented in a case as trivial as this.

I'm never been a fan of Trump but only a party hack couldn't see how this case was a political hit job and an enormous waste of tax payer money.
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Trump yesterday said he did nothing wrong. Period. At all.

That's just a complete lie. Again. Lie #4,638,292 by him. This year.

Having said that, if character mattered to the GOP we wouldn't be having this conversation. But it clearly does not.
 
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jmacvols1 said:
Are you claiming NPR is impartial? Hopefully when Trump gets elected NPR will be gone forever.
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Huh? You want Trump to dismantle the media? Why? I want the media to fairly report facts and provide evidence for all of us to make up our own minds. When opinion pieces come out, label them as such. From there we need opinions of all kinds, not one side or another. Canceling media is the kind of crap we’re headed towards and it’s the wrong path no matter who takes us down it.
 
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I have thought a lot about this. The only thing that comes to mind is the quote:

Two wrongs don't make a right.


We have too many people trying to convince each other that either side of this is somewhow positive. Like our exponentially growing debt, it is not. This is all merely another of our colosseum moments. Keep the masses entertained while Nero fiddles.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Trump yesterday said he did nothing wrong. Period. At all.

That's just a complete lie. Again. Lie #4,638,292 by him. This year.

Having said that, if character mattered to the GOP we wouldn't be having this conversation. But it clearly does not.
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A lawyer using someone else's lies as an attack.

That's funny.
 
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jvol1 said:
How's he going to do that? I dont see any of his policies making the country particularly successful. Like biden he'll kick the can down the road with the same old same old right wing policies that are half the problem right now (the other half being left policies).

If I thought trump 2 were something that we could easily repair in hindsight, I'd be less dramatic, but trump seems to leading us down a path from which theres no easy return. Just having two elderly, way passed their prime candidates in the election shows how much of a step back we've taken in terms of being globally competitive.
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You asked the below, I simply said what has come out of his mouth in regards to your question.

Globally competitive....... we gave up a long time ago, too much red tape and greedy politicians

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So what's trump going to do in retaliation for this prosecution if elected?

Death camps?
Become dictator?

These prosecutions seem to be a good example of how are parties are being manipulated against each other by foreign influence, super charging faction and disrupting our government. Will anyone wakeup to this and fight it?
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lawgator1 said:
Trump yesterday said he did nothing wrong. Period. At all.

That's just a complete lie. Again. Lie #4,638,292 by him. This year.

Having said that, if character mattered to the GOP we wouldn't be having this conversation. But it clearly does not.
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The SCOTUS and the DOJ seem to agree, as they both said the case had no merit.

I agree as well, at least as far as what constitutes a crime in this case, as they can't even agree on what actual crime he intended to commit, just that he had intent to commit a crime. I also feel this case will be overturned on appeal. In which case Trump would be correct.

I just don't see how anyone can agree this was a fair trial when the prosecutor ran for office with the promise that he would prosecute Trump. With a presiding Judge whose daughter used the case to raise 90 million for Democrats. And with the allowed testimony of a known perjurer and admitted thief as the primary piece of evidence in the trial. And all of it for a crime so trivial, that it's unlikely he'll serve even 1 day in jail.

I'm guessing by your SN that you are a lawyer. Even if you hate the guy, how can you support such blatant perversion of the legal system?
 
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jmacvols1 said:
Are you claiming NPR is impartial? Hopefully when Trump gets elected NPR will be gone forever.
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In a dims mind, NPR, activist judges are impartial. The only objective truth a dim knows is whatever edict their party puts forth. Abortion, pedophilia, child mutilation, it's become their holy good works.
 
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luthervol said:
Maybe she had in the pre-nups that if he was convicted of a felony she would be set free.
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No surprise. A number of women have remarked that they see signs that Melania is a battered woman. Not physically, but mentally and verbally. Recall the inauguration incident? It was the first of several signs of which women took notice.
 
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Carp said:
The SCOTUS and the DOJ seem to agree, as they both said the case had no merit.

I agree as well, at least as far as what constitutes a crime in this case, as they can't even agree on what actual crime he intended to commit, just that he had intent to commit a crime. I also feel this case will be overturned on appeal. In which case Trump would be correct.

I just don't see how anyone can agree this was a fair trial when the prosecutor ran for office with the promise that he would prosecute Trump. With a presiding Judge whose daughter used the case to raise 90 million for Democrats. And with the allowed testimony of a known perjurer and admitted thief as the primary piece of evidence in the trial. And all of it for a crime so trivial, that it's unlikely he'll serve even 1 day in jail.

I'm guessing by your SN that you are a lawyer. Even if you hate the guy, how can you support such blatant perversion of the legal system?
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Trump said he's "completely innocent," as in he did nothing g wrong.

That is 10000000 % false, even you know this.

Forget the prosecution amd the conviction. You know he slept with her, you know he paid her off, you know he agreed to cover it up by calling it something else.

Wheres Melania??? If he were innocent, as he says, she'd be right there. She hasn't shown up for a second of it.
 
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