The Masters Tournament

#976
#976
GAVol said:
I know it looked like the ball spun straight back and maybe a little left, but no idea how it was in relation to Tiger's line.

They'd almost have to go find the divots to figure out how close he was on the drop. But if he dropped within 6 feet of the previous spot, it's stupid to penalize him. I've
played a ton of competitive golf and everybody knows that you're supposed to go back to the original spot on a stroke and distance penalty, but nobody goes to the exact spot and here's why . . .

1990 Georgia State Junior on the 9th hole a 17 year old GAVol arrives at his well struck drive to find that the ball is in the middle of a divot; and not just a run of the mill divot . . . something that looks like the impact mark left by a meteor. I'm pretty much beside myself that somebody could be this big a jackass and leave a pothole in the middle of a fairway and tried to gouge it out. I thinned the bejeezus out of it and blew it over the green out of bounds.

Even more livid now, I grab a ball to take a stroke and distance drop at the same spot. As I let go of the ball, it dawns on me that I didn't fix the divot and I look down to see my ball settling back into the crater.

And that's why you don't ever drop in the exact spot.
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]Drop - YouTube

here's the video
 
#978
#978
vol_in_ar said:
]Drop - YouTube

here's the video
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The ball actually ricocheted into the water a lot more straight backwards than I thought I remembered. Also, it's where it crosses the yellow line; not where you see ripples, so it's even slightly more to the right than it looks. I really can't tell Hugh how close it is to the original line of the shot.
 
#979
#979
BigOrangeWhitey said:
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There are other levels of golf that are not being watched for the rule to stay put. Penalty strokes not being written down happens more than a player pencil whippin a card on the pro level
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I really was only speaking about play at the Tour level. So maybe keep it in the USGA rulebook and institute a local rule at PGA Tour events.
 
#980
#980
GAVol said:
The ball actually ricocheted into the water a lot more straight backwards than I thought I remembered. Also, it's where it crosses the yellow line; not where you see ripples, so it's even slightly more to the right than it looks. I really can't tell Hugh how close it is to the original line of the shot.
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if he hadn't made the 2 yard commnets to the press afterwards, would be a non-issue
 
#981
#981
vol_in_ar said:
if he hadn't made the 2 yard commnets to the press afterwards, would be a non-issue
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Yep . . . The comment indicated a thought process and perceived "advantage" in the loosest sense of the word so busybodies with DVRs can't affect the incomes of people they see on TV who were playing in good faith.
 
#983
#983
from the line of his shot, the line between where it crossed the hazard and the stick isn't close to a straight line. Not sure why he didn't choose the drop area, he chose to drop it from his original lie. As GA points out, Tiger brought up the issue and how he chose to drop it two yards back of the original spot to help him with the next shot. I think the fact that Tiger is being reviewed because he did indeed act like he improved his position by moving it two yards back. A dumb move by Tiger, but I doubt there's a bigger Tiger hater than me and even I say this would be a dumb DQ.
 
#985
#985
So as it turns out, hitting that pin cost him four shots. An inch to either side and he's almost certainly leading or one shot off the lead. That's got to be the worst luck I've ever seen on the golf course.
 
#986
#986
bleedorange0037 said:
At least he'll still get to play, but it basically eliminates him from contention. Kind of sucks. I was really looking forward to the possibility that he could make a run this weekend.
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Tiger being 5 back from Jason Day and only 4 back from Boom Boom and Leishman definitely still has him in contention on moving day.
 
#988
#988
So will this change his tee time or will he still go off at 1:45? If he has to go back to the first of the -1 guys, he'll tee off around 12:35 and basically won't be on TV at all today.
 
#990
#990
BigOrangeWhitey said:
I’m putting some of the blame on Guan’s caddie for the penalty. As a 10 year veteran caddie at Augusta he has to help Guan out in that situation. Caddie has to see the rules buzzards swarming on the previous holes & take some action. Not talking about rushing him but making him aware of what’s going on. You have a very young player from a different country who’s routine is slower playing on golf’s biggest stage. There’s time between shots walking in the fairway to go over this.
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I understand what you're saying, but most players are given warning after warning before finally being assessed a penalty. This is the first time I've ever seen them go completely by the book on the incredibly lax, incredibly inconsistent PGA Pace of Play Policy.
 
#991
#991
under the original rules, once pairings are made, they are finalized. I know that for fact.
 
#992
#992
volfanbill said:
I understand what you're saying, but most players are given warning after warning before finally being assessed a penalty. This is the first time I've ever seen them go completely by the book on the incredibly lax, incredibly inconsistent PGA Pace of Play Policy.
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Exactly. When the guys in the final groups are taking nearly 6 hours to play their rounds, there's a much bigger problem than one guys taking a few extra seconds to play his shot from the fairway.
 
#994
#994
Nick, and Chamblee are clearly in favor of Tiger DQ'ing himself

They also jsut showed a great graphics, of the 2 shots with shot link
 
#995
#995
vol_in_ar said:
Nick, and Chamblee are clearly in favor of Tiger DQ'ing himself

They also jsut showed a great graphics, of the 2 shots with shot link
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I don't see any reason he should DQ himself. Clearly the ruling was so convoluted that it didn't even raise the attention of the officials on the course as it was happening. I know people will question it because it's Tiger, but it really seems like it was an honest mistake.
 
#997
#997
bleedorange0037 said:
I don't see any reason he should DQ himself. Clearly the ruling was so convoluted that it didn't even raise the attention of the officials on the course as it was happening. I know people will question it because it's Tiger, but it really seems like it was an honest mistake.
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I don't think he unknowingly did it after listening to the interview, where he said he dropped it 2 yards back, and took 2 yards off of it

So he dropped it farther back to get an advantage
 
#998
#998
vol_in_ar said:
I don't think he unknowingly did it after listening to the interview, where he said he dropped it 2 yards back, and took 2 yards off of it

So he dropped it farther back to get an advantage
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I think he thought he could go straight back from the original line, but since the ball took such an odd bounce and spun off the side that wasn't the case.
 
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