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utvolpj said:
No one is saying you can't use the word as you see fit. Just don't be surprised when the reaction is much different.



So does black coworker now trump the black friend?
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No, a black adult with common sense trumps the thinking of a bunch of 8 year old summer campers who think its cool to go around calling everyone nigga
 
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Vol8188 said:
That still doesn't make it acceptable.


You're up by the way.
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Which is my point. Just because a guy after a loss doesn't excuse it. Any black player would be criticized the same way. I just don't think there is a fair comparison to white players saying the same thing.
 
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Unimane said:
Tough crap. As I said, white society forfeited their role in this discussion long ago as to acceptable use of this word and being able to dictate to black people what is and isn't appropriate in regards to saying it.
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Well can't expect a sensitive word to slowly drain itself from society if blacks are going to keep it around themselves.
 
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LittleCat said:
Which is my point. Just because a guy after a loss doesn't excuse it. Any black player would be criticized the same way. I just don't think there is a fair comparison to white players saying the same thing.
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Why not? If the word is so evil, it should be evil regardless of who uses it.
 
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LittleCat said:
bingo. I don't this is a white problem anymore unfortunately.
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It is not just a white person problem. This a a word used in the inner circle and something you would not understand. To put it in a context that maybe you can understand is something like, no one else can talk about a member of your family but you. This is term used in a variety of ways in the black community. At times it is used as a term of endearment and sometimes not. There are professional black people that you see on TV that still use the word but not out in public. Now Harrison using it in a press conference is just pure stupid and not used as a term of endearment. He is young and was upset and I'm sure he felt like crap afterward. I myself don't use the word and don't allow my kids to use it , at least when I am around.
 
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Unimane said:
Tough crap. As I said, white society forfeited their role in this discussion long ago as to acceptable use of this word and being able to dictate to black people what is and isn't appropriate in regards to saying it.
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Why do you keep repeating this? "White society" isn't trying to dictate the acceptable use of the word. Most people, both black and white, are saying the use of the word should go away. The best way to accomplish this is to quit bringing it up. As many posters have said, its accepted as a term of endearment when used within the black race ( by some at least). If this is the case, these same people shouldn't get upset when it continues to be used.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Why not? If the word is so evil, it should be evil regardless of who uses it.
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You don't get it because you have never been called that word in a negative way. I worked as a manager in Frankfort KY in a retail store. An older white person asked to speak with a manager. When he saw me walking up he just turned around and walked away and mummbled the N word to me. Some backwood people still can't phantom black folks in leadership positions and all we good for is running a touchdown or dunking the basketball.
 
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Vol4Real said:
You don't get it because you have never been called that word in a negative way. I worked as a manager in Frankfort KY in a retail store. An older white person asked to speak with a manager. When he saw me walking up he just turned around and walked away and mummbled the N word to me. Some backwood people still can't phantom black folks in leadership positions and all we good for is running a touchdown or dunking the basketball.
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Then why would you call another person that? If this word is so hurtful, why would you use it?

Thats what I can't understand. I can understand someone saying something hurtful to you. I can't understand why you'd turn around and say it back to someone else.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Then why would you call another person that? If this word is so hurtful, why would you use it?

Thats what I can't understand. I can't understand someone saying something hurtful to you. I can't understand why you'd turn around and say it back to someone else.
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Bingo!
 
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Vol4Real said:
You don't get it because you have never been called that word in a negative way. I worked as a manager in Frankfort KY in a retail store. An older white person asked to speak with a manager. When he saw me walking up he just turned around and walked away and mummbled the N word to me. Some backwood people still can't phantom black folks in leadership positions and all we good for is running a touchdown or dunking the basketball.
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Since we are in deep discussion I will let you slide on "phantom".
 
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Vol8188 said:
Then why would you call another person that? If this word is so hurtful, why would you use it?

Thats what I can't understand. I can't understand someone saying something hurtful to you. I can't understand why you'd turn around and say it back to someone else.
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This goes way back before you and I were born. Again it is a term of endearment used in certain context in circles of black people. It's a cultural thing.
 
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Vol4Real said:
This goes way back before you and I were born. Again it is a term of endearment used in certain context in circles of black people. It's a cultural thing.
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If it's such a hurtful word, perhaps you should consider removing it from your culture. Because the "I can say this, but you can't" just comes off as childish.
 
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Vol8188 said:
If it's such a hurtful word, perhaps you should consider removing it from your culture. Because the "I can say this, but you can't" just comes off as childish.
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It is hurtful for you to say to me, not for someone in my own race to say to me. Hey I didn't make the rules.
 
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Vol4Real said:
It is hurtful for you to say to me, not for someone in my own race to say to me. Hey I didn't make the rules.
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These rules are the problem. When you say:

"I can say it but you can't"

Everyone else just hears a 3 year old whining. So if you don't like the rules change em. If black people don't like the word, stop using it. If you continue to use it as frequently as you do however, don't be shocked if it loses its power and no one cares if you get your feelings hurt.
 
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Vol8188 said:
These rules are the problem. When you say:

"I can say it but you can't"

Everyone else just hears a 3 year old whining. So if you don't like the rules change em. If black people don't like the word, stop using it. If you continue to use it as frequently as you do however, don't be shocked if it loses its power and no one cares if you get your feelings hurt.
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And that's how trouble starts. If a 3 year old white kid comes to school and call a 3 year old black kid the N word, it come from the home. Again I don't use the word or allow my kids to use it but is a part of everyday language for some. Also if you are white and did not grow up around black people or had a close knit with black people you would not understand and I'm not gonna keep trying to explain to y'all because some of you gut will not try to understand anyway. I'm done with this.
 
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Vol4Real said:
And that's how trouble starts. If a 3 year old white kid comes to school and call a 3 year old black kid the N word, it come from the home. Again I don't use the word or allow my kids to use it but is a part of everyday language for some. Also if you are white and did not grow up around black people or had a close knit with black people you would not understand and I'm not gonna keep trying to explain to y'all because some of you gut will not try to understand anyway. I'm done with this.
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Or it came from the 3 year old black kid. White people hear blacks use the n word a whole lot more than they do blacks. So let's not assume this hypothetical 3 year old has racist parents. He could just go to school with black kids.

I've been coaching football in all black schools for quit sometime. I grew up in government housing. I've been around black people
 
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Vol8188 said:
Or it came from the 3 year old black kid. White people hear blacks use the n word a whole lot more than they do blacks. So let's not assume this hypothetical 3 year old has racist parents. He could just go to school with black kids.

I've been coaching football in all black schools for quit sometime. I grew up in government housing. I've been around black people
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They don't want to let it go cause it gives them a reason to feel opressed/insulted.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
They don't want to let it go cause it gives them a reason to feel opressed/insulted.
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Truth be told, if you control a mans thinking, you can control the man. We all know that the word is meant to demean and belittle a community. However in a twisted sense of logic, the African American community, my community, has decided to take the word and use it towards each other in their daily lexicon. It's like I am going to take this word and empower it to mean something positive rather than something negative. But the word is still negative no matter who uses it or how it is used. Comedians (Black) have been using this word since I was a child.

Look at it like this...women call their friends b-i-t-c-h all the time, but no one can call them that. My white friends call each other red neck, I wouldn't dare call them that.

I will never use words that are meant to demean as a term of endearment. I am not falling for the trap of enslaving myself with my words. I am not an N and I will never be an N.
 
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utvolpj said:
No one is saying you can't use the word as you see fit. Just don't be surprised when the reaction is much different.
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You realize there are two sides to this coin, right? So if some want to continue to use it don't be surprised when it remains a part of the vocabulary, used by both blacks and whites.
 
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jp1 said:
You realize there are two sides to this coin, right? So if some want to continue to use it don't be surprised when it remains a part of the vocabulary, used by both blacks and whites.
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A white person choosing to use that word toward a black person is a racist fool. There is no other option
 
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