The murder of Ahmaud Arbery

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McDad said:
I've looked into windows of new construction because I was curious about the layout.

I could've been harrassed and shot. Who knew?
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He wasn’t shot because of the trespassing. He was shot because he assaulted a guy and tried to take his gun.
 
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bamawriter said:
On my street you'd have to run almost two full blocks before you'd be able to run between houses. Everyone has a fence.

Obviously I don't know anything about that neighborhood. Just saying that he may not have had all 360 degrees available to find an escape route.
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If a guy was chasing me with a shotgun, a fence wouldn't even slow me down. It would probably stop a truck and two fat guys.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
He couldn't have ran the other way back toward the guy filming? I know that's what I would have done. They were stopped and out of the truck long before he reaches the truck.
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By what legal authority were they trying to detain him? Absolutely none. They acted without authority and someone died. Prosecute their asses.
 
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bamawriter said:
On my street you'd have to run almost two full blocks before you'd be able to run between houses. Everyone has a fence.

Obviously I don't know anything about that neighborhood. Just saying that he may not have had all 360 degrees available to find an escape route.
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That is true. The video doesnt show much of the surrounding area.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
The guy could have very well jogged around the truck and immediately went after the guy with the shotgun. We don't know. It would be nice to have the video to prove what actually happened. But to me just because the guys had guns and they confronted the guy doesn't automatically make them guilty of murder. Again if the guy died because he hit his head on the ground from a punch thrown instead of being shot, would it be treated differently?
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I'm leaning towards manslaughter, not murder.
 
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Weezer said:
I think the standard for self defense is imminent danger. Someone running away is not presenting an imminent danger.
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Except he wasn’t running away. He punched the guy several times and tried to grab a shotgun from his hands.
 
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bamawriter said:
I mean when he was choosing which way to run. Did he know that they were armed before they drew on him at close range?
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I think it's pretty clear the driver had a shotgun well before he reaches the truck. Maybe that's why he went to the other side of the truck?
 
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bamawriter said:
I mean when he was choosing which way to run. Did he know that they were armed before they drew on him at close range?
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I don't know. Does it matter? Several white guys chasing after a black guy. Most aren't going to wait around to find out what caliber they might have.

As soon as I realized they had guns, I'd probably still be running. I sure as hell wouldn't have grabbed one by the barrel. That is a guarantee you are going to be shot and hit. At least, it's harder to hit a moving target.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Except he wasn’t running away. He punched the guy several times and tried to grab a shotgun from his hands.
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When confronted by an armed man on a public road. Their actions created any imminent danger. If they hadn't armed themselves and pursued, that man would still be alive. You cannot argue that fact. Their actions directly led to his death. Period. Nothing you say undoes that. All of your mental gymnastics cannot justify it. They chose to arm themselves and intervene. He would be alive if they had simply waited for the police and let them do their job.
 
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37L1 said:
I don't know. Does it matter? Several white guys chasing after a black guy. Most aren't going to wait around to find out what caliber they might have.

As soon as I realized they had guns, I'd probably still be running. I sure as hell wouldn't have grabbed one by the barrel. That is a guarantee you are going to be shot and hit. At least, it's harder to hit a moving target.
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Those who trespass and run away live to trespass another day.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
So he ran into their arms? Could he not have stopped and ran back where he came from? Come on man.
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Would he be alive if that had let the police do their job rather than arming themselves and pursuing? They could have chosen not to confront him with guns at the ready in the middle of a public road. Don't come on man me. You and Ricky are doing backflips trying to justify this killing. It wasn't justified.
 
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