The murder of Ahmaud Arbery

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#252
McDad said:
He was shot because: Redneck Rambo acted stupidly. The greater responsibility for good decisions falls on the gun owner.
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My only problem with your stance is you seem to be convicting him just because he has a gun. What we don't know is what actually started the physical confrontation. If he pointed the gun at the guy and told him to stop then he fits your description. If he held the gun down and had words with him and the guy lunged at him that's different to me.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I'm not casting judgement either way. All we have is a very incomplete video. The investigators will.jave much more.
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We also have the facts of the case that are out there. They suspected he might be behind neighborhood robberies. They armed themselves and engaged in pursuit. Their actions directly led to a man's death. I'm not sure how anyone can argue that.
 
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Weezer said:
Would he be alive if that had let the police do their job rather than arming themselves and pursuing? They could have chosen not to confront him with guns at the ready in the middle of a public road. Don't come on man me. You and Ricky are doing backflips trying to justify this killing. It wasn't justified.
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And you are convicting the guy without know two shots about what really happened. If you don't think you have the right to confront someone if you think they've done you wrong then we just have to agree to disagree.
 
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37L1 said:
I don't know. Does it matter? Several white guys chasing after a black guy. Most aren't going to wait around to find out what caliber they might have.
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He wasn't waiting around. He was running. That he didn't try to jump a fence may be the result of a thinking "they aren't gonna run me over, so I just need to make sure they can't get out and nab me."

As soon as I realized they had guns, I'd probably still be running. I sure as hell wouldn't have grabbed one by the barrel. That is a guarantee you are going to be shot and hit. At least, it's harder to hit a moving target.
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You don't have any idea what you'd do in that situation. Panic is a weird motivator.
 
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Weezer said:
When confronted by an armed man on a public road. Their actions created any imminent danger. If they hadn't armed themselves and pursued, that man would still be alive. You cannot argue that fact. Their actions directly led to his death. Period. Nothing you say undoes that. All of your mental gymnastics cannot justify it. They chose to arm themselves and intervene. He would be alive if they had simply waited for the police and let them do their job.
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He would’ve been alive if he had simply either ran away or waited for the police and not tried to hit a guy and steal his gun
 
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Weezer said:
We also have the facts of the case that are out there. They suspected he might be behind neighborhood robberies. They armed themselves and engaged in pursuit. Their actions directly led to a man's death. I'm not sure how anyone can argue that.
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Ok. What if they followed him in the truck without guns and the guy jumped out in front of the truck accidentally, would they be guilty of murder too?
 
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bamawriter said:
He wasn't waiting around. He was running. That he didn't try to jump a fence may be the result of a thinking "they aren't gonna run me over, so I just need to make sure they can't get out and nab me."
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That's a bit of creative thinking on your part. Hopping fences works better than you think.



bamawrite said:
You don't have any idea what you'd do in that situation. Panic is a weird motivator.
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Oh, I have a real good idea, trust me. Grabbing a gun by the barrel definitely isn't one of them.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
My only problem with your stance is you seem to be convicting him just because he has a gun. What we don't know is what actually started the physical confrontation. If he pointed the gun at the guy and told him to stop then he fits your description. If he held the gun down and had words with him and the guy lunged at him that's different to me.
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They didn't just have guns. They engaged in pursuit. They blocked the road. They created the entire situation. This isn't a 2A argument, which it seems you kind of think it is. This is about two guys with guns acting irresponsibly.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
And you are convicting the guy without know two shots about what really happened. If you don't think you have the right to confront someone if you think they've done you wrong then we just have to agree to disagree.
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In what world did the victim "do wrong" by the assailants by peering into an unfinished house?
 
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InVOLuntary said:
And you are convicting the guy without know two shots about what really happened. If you don't think you have the right to confront someone if you think they've done you wrong then we just have to agree to disagree.
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You call the damn police and let them handle it. You don't chase him down brandishing a gun then claim self defense when he ends up dead. They had no proof he had even done them wrong, just suspicions? Are suspicions enough to justify confronting someone while holding a gun? You need to stop and think about this for a moment. Your argument doesn't hold water.
 
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We had the same thing happen here years ago a property owner caught someone stealing things from an outbuilding and the guy shot the thief. He was charged by grand jury stood trial and found not guilty. The their was loaded w drugs per autopsy report. Owner stated he came towards him when he shot and killed him

On the other side had a cousin that did a burglary got shot by owner. Went to jail and sued owner.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
He would’ve been alive if he had simply either ran away or waited for the police and not tried to hit a guy and steal his gun
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This argument is absurd. These men did not have the right to confront him in the middle of the road while armed. How would you feel if you were confronted in the same way? Two guys you don't know, armed, pursuing you, trying to block you in the middle of the road. How the hell do you not see the absurdity of what these guys did? They didn't even have proof he had done anything wrong. So he looked through a window? So ****ing what? That shouldn't lead to someone being killed. Their actions led to this.
 
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