The murder of Ahmaud Arbery

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Cops have put dozens of rounds into slowly moving vehicles that they later claim was being used as a deadly weapon being used to assault them. Defense attorney wouldn't want me on the jury. The shooter needs to be locked up for at least 20 years.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
What if the jogger had just stopped and talked to them? Not excusing the guy for his actions. Hard to really tell what happened in the video. I wouldn't chase them down myself and probably wasn't wise to do so but if you do you definitely should be armed. Would it have turned out differently if the guy stopped and had a discussion. No way to really know.
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What if? Answering this hypothetical doesn't change what happened. We can assign partial blame to the deceased, but that doesn't mean these guys shouldn't pay for their sins.
 
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McDad said:
I hope it would have. Never had the need to arm up to go after someone so I cant really speak to what the mindset is.
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I've been a victim of several robberies so I empathize with folks that continually get their stuff taken. It's cost me thousands of dollars. And when you see them back on the streets within hours of being caught you think you'll never be at peace. There's one guy that has targeted me for over 10 years. He finally went to prison for a little over five years and I was able to sleep at night. Within 6 months of his release he was targeting me again. He's back in prison again.

It seems as if the only time I can rest well is when he is behind bars. For months my morning ritual was to check the jail or prison population to see if he got out. The man will only stop if he's incarcerated or dead.
 
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n_huffhines said:
What if? Answering this hypothetical doesn't change what happened. We can assign partial blame to the deceased, but that doesn't mean these guys shouldn't pay for their sins.
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I never said that the shooter didn't share some blame. But what if the guy went after the guy with the gun. We don't know that because the video pans away when the first physical interaction occurs. If the shooter didn't raise his gun until the jogger lunged at him then he's justified in the law of being in self defense.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I never said that the shooter didn't share some blame. But what if the guy went after the guy with the gun. We don't know that because the video pans away when the first physical interaction occurs. If the shooter didn't raise his gun until the jogger lunged at him then he's justified in the law of being in self defense.
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I don't know the first thing about self-defense laws in Georgia, but here's something I quickly found. Looks like the defense goes out the door if you're the initial aggressor.

Self Defense | Georgia Criminal Lawyer
 
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evillawyer said:
I don't know the first thing about self-defense laws in Georgia, but here's something I quickly found. Looks like the defense goes out the door if you're the initial aggressor.

Self Defense | Georgia Criminal Lawyer
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But is wanting to have a conversation with someone being an aggressor? Are they the aggressor simply because they have firearms? In my opinion no. If the guys with the guns immediately pointed their firearms at the jogger without provocation from the jogger, they immediately become the aggressor. Unfortunately the video doesn't show what actually transpired.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I never said that the shooter didn't share some blame. But what if the guy went after the guy with the gun. We don't know that because the video pans away when the first physical interaction occurs. If the shooter didn't raise his gun until the jogger lunged at him then he's justified in the law of being in self defense.
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Yeah, I got that. I didn't say or imply you said that.

We do know the armed guy approached him and the jogger was trying to avoid them. I proved it with stills like 10 posts ago.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
But is wanting to have a conversation with someone being an aggressor? Are they the aggressor simply because they have firearms? In my opinion no. If the guys with the guns immediately pointed their firearms at the jogger without provocation from the jogger, they immediately become the aggressor. Unfortunately the video doesn't show what actually transpired.
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They exited the vehicle with shotguns in tow. They created the situation. If they wanted a simple conversation, at least one of them should have left his shotgun in the truck. I have zero doubt the jogger/felon/whatever people want to refer to him as felt threatened when confronted by two armed strangers in the middle of the road.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
But is wanting to have a conversation with someone being an aggressor? Are they the aggressor simply because they have firearms? In my opinion no. If the guys with the guns immediately pointed their firearms at the jogger without provocation from the jogger, they immediately become the aggressor. Unfortunately the video doesn't show what actually transpired.
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Going out in front of the guy. Stopping the truck. Two guys who aren't cops getting out with guns in hand. Blocking the road on both sides ... and they just wanna chat, in rural Georgia, with a young black guy they don't know.

 
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n_huffhines said:
Yeah, I got that. I didn't say or imply you said that.

We do know the shooter went after him. I proved it with stills like 10 posts ago.
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So what? Just because they wanted to confront the dude doesn't mean they were at fault. Also, the truck was parked way out in front. He chose to jog past them. He could have turned and went the other way. Just because they had guns doesn't make them responsible. What if they didn't have guns but he died in a fight?
 
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Wow. I don’t know the background to this but don’t feel like I need too either. These people should be in prison. Now.

Not sure what it has to do with trump as in the tweet.
 
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Weezer said:
They exited the vehicle with shotguns in tow. They created the situation. If they wanted a simple conversation, at least one of them should have left his shotgun in the truck. I have zero doubt the jogger/felon/whatever people want to refer to him as felt threatened when confronted by two armed strangers in the middle of the road.
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If he felt that threatened why didn't he turn and run away? Why would anyone run toward guys with guns if they felt threatened?
 
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InVOLuntary said:
So what? Just because they wanted to confront the dude doesn't mean they were at fault. Also, the truck was parked way out in front. He chose to jog past them. He could have turned and went the other way. Just because they had guns doesn't make them responsible. What if they didn't have guns but he died in a fight?
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OK, dude. Never go full ******
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I've been a victim of several robberies so I empathize with folks that continually get their stuff taken. It's cost me thousands of dollars. And when you see them back on the streets within hours of being caught you think you'll never be at peace. There's one guy that has targeted me for over 10 years. He finally went to prison for a little over five years and I was able to sleep at night. Within 6 months of his release he was targeting me again. He's back in prison again.

It seems as if the only time I can rest well is when he is behind bars. For months my morning ritual was to check the jail or prison population to see if he got out. The man will only stop if he's incarcerated or dead.
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Why does he target you?
 
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evillawyer said:
Going out in front of the guy. Stopping the truck. Two guys who aren't cops getting out with guns in hand. Blocking the road on both sides ... and they just wanna chat, in rural Georgia, with a young black guy they don't know.

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Yea I'm sure their goal was to murder the guy. If that was the goal why didn't they just drive by him and shoot him? If this happened in Chicago to a white person you'd be all for the shooters. You're as transparent as glass.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
So what? Just because they wanted to confront the dude doesn't mean they were at fault. Also, the truck was parked way out in front. He chose to jog past them. He could have turned and went the other way. Just because they had guns doesn't make them responsible. What if they didn't have guns but he died in a fight?
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This is why I wanna know the role of the guy taking the video. It was hand held video and not a dash cam, so unlikely a fortuitous video. I'm guessing he was part of the posse chasing down the guy. If so, rear exit was block. At a minimum, the victim could have reasonably believed he could not have just turned around and ran the other way.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Yea I'm sure their goal was to murder the guy. If that was the goal why didn't they just drive by him and shoot him? If this happened in Chicago to a white person you'd be all for the shooters. You're as transparent as glass.
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It doesn't matter what their goal was. It doesn't matter what would have happened if they didn't have guns. What in God's name are you going on about? They acted as irresponsible gun owners in a needlessly threatening way and now somebody is dead.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
If he felt that threatened why didn't he turn and run away? Why would anyone run toward guys with guns if they felt threatened?
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It's a total mystery to me why people challenge others with weapons, vehicles, etc. Priority is get out of danger asap. However, these two yahoos had already cut him off once. Impossible to know if he went towards them to confront or because he had no other options (even though he did).
 
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