The murder of Ahmaud Arbery

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evillawyer said:
This is why I wanna know the role of the guy taking the video. It was hand held video and not a dash cam, so unlikely a fortuitous video. I'm guessing he was part of the posse chasing down the guy. If so, rear exit was block. At a minimum, the victim could have reasonably believed he could not have just turned around and ran the other way.
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Was wondering the same thing. Who’s taking the video?
 
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n_huffhines said:
It doesn't matter what their goal was. It doesn't matter what would have happened if they didn't have guns. What in God's name are you going on about? They acted as irresponsible gun owners in a needlessly threatening way and now somebody is dead.
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You don't know what happened. No one does your taking leaps because you have white guilt. If it was two blacks you wouldn't say a word about it.
 
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You bring guns against an unarmed individual and the unarmed individual gets shot, the guys with the guns have some explaining to do, and rightfully so.

They have a big problem, if not criminal, which is what the grand jury is for, then most certainly civilly. If the grand jury doesn't indict then the DOJ has a civil rights violation to go after them with. They are in for a prolonged time of misery, all of their own making. No sympathy here.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Familiarity I guess. The last time he hit my business. He claimed he didn't know it was my business but the first time he stole a truck from my business.
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Youre on his rotation. I thought it might be personal.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
What if the jogger had just stopped and talked to them? Not excusing the guy for his actions. Hard to really tell what happened in the video. I wouldn't chase them down myself and probably wasn't wise to do so but if you do you definitely should be armed. Would it have turned out differently if the guy stopped and had a discussion. No way to really know.
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That's what makes me think that there might be some truth that the "jogger" was indeed up to something. But, I still think thee yahoos took it to a point where a conflict was going to occur.
 
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BP4Prez said:
Was wondering the same thing. Who’s taking the video?
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From NY Times:

"According to a police report, the men grabbed a .357 magnum and a shotgun, got into a pickup truck and chased Mr. Arbery, trying unsuccessfully to cut him off. A third man was also involved in the pursuit, according to the police report and other documents."

Guessing this is the videographer
 
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evillawyer said:
From NY Times:

"According to a police report, the men grabbed a .357 magnum and a shotgun, got into a pickup truck and chased Mr. Arbery, trying unsuccessfully to cut him off. A third man was also involved in the pursuit, according to the police report and other documents."

Guessing this is the videographer
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Would have to assume the videographer was with the group. No other reason for him to be videoing. Even more damning, as they basically had him trapped.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
If he felt that threatened why didn't he turn and run away? Why would anyone run toward guys with guns if they felt threatened?
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I think the overall consensus right now is that we have 2 extremes being played out in the media and that the truth is somewhere in between.

I think all 3 parties have some culpability in how this situation turned out. The black guy did not act like a normal person would that was either innocent or in fear for their life. OTOH, these yahoos I think were looking to pull the trigger on someone and get an adrenaline rush.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
If he felt that threatened why didn't he turn and run away? Why would anyone run toward guys with guns if they felt threatened?
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They had already followed him and were now blocking his path. His fight or flight led him to fight. They created the situation.
 
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evillawyer said:
This is why I wanna know the role of the guy taking the video. It was hand held video and not a dash cam, so unlikely a fortuitous video. I'm guessing he was part of the posse chasing down the guy. If so, rear exit was block. At a minimum, the victim could have reasonably believed he could not have just turned around and ran the other way.
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Interesting take...
 
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Weezer said:
They were armed and hunting him down. Even if they were just seeking to detain him, they had NO lawful authority.
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Just so I know...for a friend....the only entity that can detain me if I, I mean my friend, commits a crime are the police?
 
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I think the jogging story should be put aside sooner rather than later. I'm just not buying that part. There's supposedly another (as yet unreleased) video of him peeping into a home under construction. So we'd have a guy out running with a belt flapping around wildly deciding to stop mid-run to check out homes under construction and then continue on with his run. Weakens the story with an irrelevant fact and will allow people to accuse the family of lying.
 
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Wireless1 said:
Just so I know...for a friend....the only entity that can detain me if I, I mean my friend, commits a crime are the police?
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Depends on whether someone actually watched you commit the crime. Go back and read the posts on what allows for citizen's arrest. This case did not allow for it IMO.
 
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37L1 said:
We'll never know what he thought. We should be careful not to put our thoughts in anybody's heads as we weren't there. I have no sympathy for those two in the truck, their actions are what precipitated this tragedy.
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Agreed. If I see someone that MIGHT look suspicious, maybe I watch them for a while, follow at a distance. I’ve done it before because someone’s behavior didn’t look right. But you don’t deputize yourself, go into “hunting” mode and start pulling out weapons. Call the police.
 
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McDad said:
It's a total mystery to me why people challenge others with weapons, vehicles, etc. Priority is get out of danger asap. However, these two yahoos had already cut him off once. Impossible to know if he went towards them to confront or because he had no other options (even though he did).
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My neighbor called me one night saying he was going to stake out his property because he was being targeted about every night. He lives about a mile down the road from his farm. He drive by his place it appeared someone had staged some stuff to be picked later. He was with his wife and two adolescent children. He was going to run home and get his pistol and drop his family off before coming back. He asked me to be on standby to call 911 if he called me. It was right at dark when he called. It couldn't have been 15 when the phone rang and he yelled at me to get down there quickly and bring a gun and call 911. I took off and told the wife to dial 911. When I got there he had a guy pinned against the car with an axe. His wife was standing there screaming cuss words at the dude. The kids were screaming in the car. It was chaotic. I had never pointed a gun at anyone in my life and it was extremely hard to do it. I told my neighbor to get his wife in the car which he did. The guy was real squirmy and I kept the gun pointed at the ground right in front of the guy. I was worried that he might not be alone so I had the neighbor scan the area to make sure no one was coming from behind which helped distract him. I held him the guy there until police arrived. Would I have been justified in shooting the guy if he'd lunged at me?

Most of these jackwads don't know what emotions go on when things like this happen. They don't have any experience with events like this. They form their opinions from what they see in the MSM disregarding actual evidence or the lack thereof.

The guy could have very well jogged around the truck and immediately went after the guy with the shotgun. We don't know. It would be nice to have the video to prove what actually happened. But to me just because the guys had guns and they confronted the guy doesn't automatically make them guilty of murder. Again if the guy died because he hit his head on the ground from a punch thrown instead of being shot, would it be treated differently?
 
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This looks like it’s headed the same was as that idiot in Florida I think it was that hassled the lady in the handicapped parking spot, her husband comes out and pushes him away from the car and to the ground, he draws his weapon and the guy is retreating and he shoots him anyway. Needless escalation resulting in deadly force being used.

Regardless let a grand jury decide.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
That's what makes me think that there might be some truth that the "jogger" was indeed up to something. But, I still think thee yahoos took it to a point where a conflict was going to occur.
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I'm not absolving the guy who pulled the trigger of guilt. I just don't see enough to tell what actually happened.
 
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McDad said:
There's 360° on a compass. Again, not saying the killer is absolved. Simply saying you should get away from danger if possible.
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On my street you'd have to run almost two full blocks before you'd be able to run between houses. Everyone has a fence.

Obviously I don't know anything about that neighborhood. Just saying that he may not have had all 360 degrees available to find an escape route.
 
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Weezer said:
They had already followed him and were now blocking his path. His fight or flight led him to fight. They created the situation.
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He couldn't have ran the other way back toward the guy filming? I know that's what I would have done. They were stopped and out of the truck long before he reaches the truck.
 
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evillawyer said:
I think the jogging story should be put aside sooner rather than later. I'm just not buying that part. There's supposedly another (as yet unreleased) video of him peeping into a home under construction. So we'd have a guy out running with a belt flapping around wildly deciding to stop mid-run to check out homes under construction and then continue on with his run. Weakens the story with an irrelevant fact and will allow people to accuse the family of lying.
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I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt referring to him as a jogger.
 
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