The murder of Ahmaud Arbery

[Weezer]

Written by a conservative

The Definitive Debunking of the Lies Surrounding the Ahmaud Arbery Shooting

Is Ricky gonna be laying out the interesting tidbits from this article as well?

 

[Weezer]

I haven’t seen much of anything trying to defend the shooter or slam Arbery.

Then you must have Ricky on ignore.

 

[Weezer]

All of this, "will there be a thread about this?" crap is stupid. If you think it deserves a thread, start one. If you want to comment on this thread, then do so. If the thread irritates you, ignore it. If you're just looking to act pissy and be an ass hole, well, STFU. People are trying to have a conversation here.

 

[allvol123]

Are you going to start one?

No. That would be silly.

 

[FLVOL_79]

‘It just startled me.’ Travis McMichael dialed 911 days before shooting

So the victim "liked to job in this neighborhood" but had only been seen recently entering homes being built during a rash of burglaries and break-ins and was known to have been seen by the local residents and fled from them...yet continued "to jog" in this area? Right.

 

[jp1]

Then you must have Ricky on ignore.

I don't necessarily think that's fair. Ricky seemed to me not ready to jump to a decision without more facts and was explaining how he saw things. That's how I read his posts anyway. Having said that, even if you place him in the McMichael camp, I still think the overwhelming majority that has commented in this thread would agree the McMichaels should not have pursued Arbary. Which would fit Carl's description of "much of anything".

 

[Rickyvol77]

I don't necessarily think that's fair. Ricky seemed to me not ready to jump to a decision without more facts and was explaining how he saw things. That's how I read his posts anyway. Having said that, even if you place him in the McMichael camp, I still think the overwhelming majority that has commented in this thread would agree the McMichaels should not have pursued Arbary. Which would fit Carl's description of "much of anything".

Thanks, i've said in several posts in this thread that i think the McMichaels acted like idiots and that i would not have done the same thing they did at all. All three people involved in this were idiotic and they all have a part in what happened. The legal and contextual aspects of this case still have to be decided, and much like the Trayvon Martin and Mike Brown cases, the same false narrative of the facts is being presented by the media again.

 

[VolunteerHillbilly]

I wonder how many people in this area of GA are accustomed to being their own justice. Buddies of mine who live in the Coastal Empire have told me stories about the kind of stuff that happens to people who screw with some else's crab traps. I've heard about shrimpers being burned alive on their boats because they 'trespassed' into someone else's spot. I've spent a little time at Jekyll but really don't know much about the culture in St. Simons/Brunswick. There are places in this country where property crimes are taken more seriously than violent crimes. I'm curious is this is one of those places.

 

[Behr]

Thanks, i've said in several posts in this thread that i think the McMichaels acted like idiots and that i would not have done the same thing they did at all. All three people involved in this were idiotic and they all have a part in what happened. The legal and contextual aspects of this case still have to be decided, and much like the Trayvon Martin and Mike Brown cases, the same false narrative of the facts is being presented by the media again.

You've defended them from the beginning and you've said all were stupid... BUT Arbery would still be alive if he hadn't "attacked" the guy with the shotgun.

As far as the narrative by the media, who cares? Most everyone in this thread agrees he probably wasn't jogging and he shouldn't have been in the unfinished house. I think even most here probaby agree he was a criminal. What false narratives? He shouldn't have been chased down and shot? Lulz.

 

[Chris4Vols22]

Thanks, i've said in several posts in this thread that i think the McMichaels acted like idiots and that i would not have done the same thing they did at all. All three people involved in this were idiotic and they all have a part in what happened. The legal and contextual aspects of this case still have to be decided, and much like the Trayvon Martin and Mike Brown cases, the same false narrative of the facts is being presented by the media again.

I don't understand how anyone could claim this as fact. All the information anyone has seen has been from some kind of media source. The real fact is that none of us know, and to definitively say one way or the other is unwise and it seriously diminishes credibility.

That's not to say we can't speculate or form our own opinions, but let's not say things like "X has it wrong because Y," because NO ONE KNOWS.

What factual basis are you using to say that the media is currently perpetuating false narratives about this case? How could you possibly verify that?

 

[Rickyvol77]

You've defended them from the beginning and you've said all were stupid... BUT Arbery would still be alive if he hadn't "attacked" the guy with the shotgun.

As far as the narrative by the media, who cares? Most everyone in this thread agrees he probably wasn't jogging and he shouldn't have been in the unfinished house. I think even most here probaby agree he was a criminal. What false narratives? He shouldn't have been chased down and shot? Lulz.

Because i am stating a factual statement, all three were stupid in this situation (FACT). Arbery would be alive if he hadn't attacked the son and tried to grab his shotgun (while this isn't 100% fact, it is pretty likely since they had just called 911, and had multiple opportunities to shoot him if they had wanted to, that Arbery if he had kept running or stopped to talk to them, he wouldn't have been shot

 

[Rickyvol77]

I don't understand how anyone could claim this as fact. All the information anyone has seen has been from some kind of media source. The real fact is that none of us know, and to definitively say one way or the other is unwise and it seriously diminishes credibility.

That's not to say we can't speculate or form our own opinions, but let's not say things like "X has it wrong because Y," because NO ONE KNOWS.

What factual basis are you using to say that the media is currently perpetuating false narratives about this case? How could you possibly verify that?

Because i see how the media operates with these narrative stories all the time, i've seen up both up close and in national cases.
They tried to frame it at first as "these guys chased down a black guy just because he was jogging" and "there were no reports and no crimes happened in that neighborhood for months" and now that more facts come out that make those narratives look a little more shaky, it's "who hasn't ran through people's yards or go looked inside their homes" and "what does his criminal past have to do with anything"

This is the same pattern you will see again and again in these type stories, it's not hard to see if you pay attention.

"Trayvon was just eating skittles when he was shot for no reason"
"Mike Brown was just jaywalking after coming from the store, hands up don't shoot"
"Jessie Smollett was nearly lynched by MAGA rednecks"

These stories always look a lot different when everything goes out

 

[bamawriter]

Because i am stating a factual statement, all three were stupid in this situation (FACT). Arbery would be alive if he hadn't attacked the son and tried to grab his shotgun (while this isn't 100% fact, it is pretty likely since they had just called 911, and had multiple opportunities to shoot him if they had wanted to, that Arbery if he had kept running or stopped to talk to them, he wouldn't have been shot

What is being pointed out, quite accurately I might add, is that you seem much more concerned with Arbery's "stupidity" than the McMichaels'. You certainly seem to be questioning their criminal responsibility for Arbery's death.

 

[Carl Pickens]

Then you must have Ricky on ignore.

He’s one..... just one.... and from what I’ve seen he’s basing his remarks on law. Regardless of the horrible idea to round up the posse... this is a slippery incident with regard to the actual shooting from a legal standpoint.

 

[Rickyvol77]

What is being pointed out, quite accurately I might add, is that you seem much more concerned with Arbery's "stupidity" than the McMichaels'. You certainly seem to be questioning their criminal responsibility for Arbery's death.

I'm saying with the facts presented in their entirety, it's not as open-and-shut a case for felony murder as some here would like to believe. I've been through a lot of different types of court cases and grand jury hearings, and the "experts" and media are often shocked when cases don't go "their way".

As i said before, i believe this case will hinge (if it goes to trial without plea deals) on the jury's belief if the McMichaels were trying to detain Arbery or had intent to aggravated assault him with the firearms. Jurors are funny creatures for lots of reasons

 

[bamawriter]

He’s one..... just one.... and from what I’ve seen he’s basing his remarks on law. Regardless of the horrible idea to round up the posse... this is a slippery incident with regard to the actual shooting from a legal standpoint.

Actually, Ricky has made several detailed arguments based on both law and fact. For that, I give him credit.

However, what he's done throughout his argument is argue fact when the law doesn't fit his position and argue law when the facts do likewise. He's been conspicuously unable to apply the law to the known facts.

 

[Chris4Vols22]

I'm saying with the facts presented in their entirety, it's not as open-and-shut a case for felony murder as some here would like to believe. I've been through a lot of different types of court cases and grand jury hearings, and the "experts" and media are often shocked when cases don't go "their way".

As i said before, i believe this case will hinge (if it goes to trial without plea deals) on the jury's belief if the McMichaels were trying to detain Arbery or had intent to aggravated assault him with the firearms. Jurors are funny creatures for lots of reasons

I agree with everything here. I could be wrong, but I'm not sure anyone believes it is open-shut in any capacity. Everything is so fragmented, it's hard to paint a clear picture of the entire situation at this time. I sincerely hope there was good reason for those events to unfold the way they did, but I'm having a hard time seeing it right now.

 

[Carl Pickens]

Actually, Ricky has made several detailed arguments based on both law and fact. For that, I give him credit.

However, what he's done throughout his argument is argue fact when the law doesn't fit his position and argue law when the facts do likewise. He's been conspicuously unable to apply the law to the known facts.

The only thing I know for sure is this..... there was a whole lot of stupidity involved on the part of the posse....... and Arbery as well.

 

[jp1]

The only thing I know for sure is this..... there was a whole lot of stupidity involved on the part of the posse....... and Arbery as well.

And that is how you end up with a case like this.

 

[Behr]

The only thing I know for sure is this..... there was a whole lot of stupidity involved on the part of the posse....... and Arbery as well.

Its obvious that criminals are stupid, so for that alone Arbery was stupid for going in the house. No argument there, but if he hadn't gone in the house we probably wouldn't be having this discussion so that's kinda redundant.

So other than the stupidity that caused the guys to get involved, what did he do that was in fact stupid?

 

[jp1]

Its obvious that criminals are stupid, so for that alone Arbery was stupid for going in the house. No argument there, but if he hadn't gone in the house we probably wouldn't be having this discussion so that's kinda redundant.

So other than the stupidity that caused the guys to get involved, what did he do that was in fact stupid?

C'mon man. Did he deserve to die no.....but you yourself walk around going into people's property and eventually you will find trouble. This isn't that hard.

 

[bamawriter]

C'mon man. Did he deserve to die no.....but you yourself walk around going into people's property and eventually you will find trouble. This isn't that hard.

Are you seriously arguing that being chased and assaulted by gun toting men, none of whom own the property in question, should be a foreseeable consequence of walking around an unfinished house?

 

[jp1]

Are you seriously arguing that being chased and assaulted by gun toting men, none of whom own the property in question, should be a foreseeable consequence of walking around an unfinished house?

Did I say that was ok? Absolutely not. Having said that, I dont make it a habit of snooping around people's property (once, or on multiple occasions). If you do it enough, right or wrong you are going to see trouble.

 

[hndog609]

SIAP
Not sure this really matters to the case all that much but the optics aren't great.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...arrests-after-skipping-use-of-force-training/

 

[Dr Dread]

he was 17 not 15, and 6'2 and stronger and taller than Zimmerman. He didn't see any gun as Zimmerman was wearing it concealed. He clearly saw Zimmerman was on the phone as he stated so on the phone. Martin had made it home and told his friend he was going after the "creepy ass cracka" Several eyewitnesses all stated Martin assaulted Zimmerman as he screamed for help over and over again. Pretty open and shut case of stand your ground....

Excellent job twisting facts.

He never made it home. The statement you’re quoting was made to his girlfriend on the phone, but he didn’t say he was going back. It was made while he was trying to walk home.

When I was 17, if someone was stalking me around a neighborhood in the middle of the night to the point where I felt creeped out, I may have very well ducked off somewhere in order to surprise him and get the upper hand too. Not saying that was the smartest move, but nonetheless, it would be totally about defending myself.