The murder of Ahmaud Arbery

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RockyTop85 said:
They don’t do lesser included offenses in GA or you just think that’s unlikely?
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They do. It would take some time to explain, and I'm not an attorney, so...

For now, I think GBI has made the appropriate charges. You have to have a felony (Agg. Assault) in order to charge with Felony Murder, so that's why 2 charges at this point.

We are a long ways away from trial, or a plea, so it will likely get quiet on that front for a while.

Edit: You should probably expect a bond hearing before a Superior Court judge (that's how it works here when a Magistrate does not or cannot set a bond) within the next 30 days or so. That may depend on any anticipation of federal charges. No point in asking for a bond if you think another arrest is likely or imminent.

Meanwhile, back at the Ranch, the DoJ is yet to be heard from on (a) possible additional charges, and (b) the invasive colonoscopy they are about to perform on the Glynn and Ware DA's offices.

Like I said, long summer ahead. And then some.
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
They do. It would take some time to explain, and I'm not an attorney, so...

For now, I think GBI has made the appropriate charges. You have to have a felony (Agg. Assault) in order to charge with Felony Murder, so that's why 2 charges at this point.

We are a long ways away from trial, or a plea, so it will likely get quiet on that front for a while. Meanwhile, back at the Ranch, the DoJ is yet to be heard from on (a) possible additional charges, and (b) the invasive colonoscopy they are about to perform on the Glynn and Ware DA's offices.

Like I said, long summer ahead. And then some.
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That’s fair. I generally see it as a hard sell to get from Felony Murder to manslaughter, if the jury follows the law, just because you add on the mens rea element. So I could see why they might skip over all the lesser included charges if they’re not convinced on felony murder. At least until they get to agg assault but I would think that would more or less fit with your “nothing” side for the prosecutor.

There was a case in Chattanooga in... 2017 I think, where a jury sent a 18 year old kid, who never pulled the trigger, to prison for life on a felony murder charge. He was tried by himself.

But juries are there to resolve conflicts, not be predictable, so it’s hard to say. Some juries don’t like felony murder or so I’m told.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
That’s fair. I generally see it as a hard sell to get from Felony Murder to manslaughter, if the jury follows the law, just because you add on the mens rea element. So I could see why they might skip over all the lesser included charges if they’re not convinced on felony murder. At least until they get to agg assault but I would think that would more or less fit with your “nothing” side for the prosecutor.

There was a case in Chattanooga in... 2017 I think, where a jury sent a 18 year old kid, who never pulled the trigger, to prison for life on a felony murder charge. He was tried by himself.

But juries are there to resolve conflicts, not be predictable, so it’s hard to say. Some juries don’t like felony murder or so I’m told.
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Every time I hear "mens rea" i automatically think of Prior and Wilder in "Hear no Evil See no Evil'.
 
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Septic said:
It's not remotely the same.

You can tell by the way Arbery didn't chase anyone down, then threatened them with a gun with his dad and most importantly how he didn't shoot anyone three times in the chest.
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I still can’t believe he took three hits from a shotgun. The first two had to be glancing blows.....if you watch closely you can see a mist after the second shot. It may just be from the blast, but now I’m wondering if it was something more.
 
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Carl Pickens said:
I still can’t believe he took three hits from a shotgun. The first two had to be glancing blows.....if you watch closely you can see a mist after the second shot. It may just be from the blast, but now I’m wondering if it was something more.
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Would be interesting to know the type of shotshell used.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Never seen it. Is it good?
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It is classic 80's comedy. Wilder and Prior don't sound like they world make a good comedic duo but it works. If you like old comedies I would give it a try. Not the greatest but certainly should give it a go.
 
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KB5252 said:
It is classic 80's comedy. Wilder and Prior don't sound like they world make a good comedic duo but it works. If you like old comedies I would give it a try. Not the greatest but certainly should give it a go.
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Never seen Silver Streak and Stir Crazy? Pryor and Wilder were great together.
 
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Pryor was a co-writer on Blazing Saddles and is credited with most of the race-themed jokes and tropes in the script. He was originally cast to play the part that Cleavon Little eventually played but Mel Brooks replaced him because he (allegedly) showed up at all the writing sessions with brandy and cocaine.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
Pryor was a co-writer on Blazing Saddles and is credited with most of the race-themed jokes and tropes in the script. He was originally cast to play the part that Cleavon Little eventually played but Mel Brooks replaced him because he (allegedly) showed up at all the writing sessions with brandy and cocaine.
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Ditto!
 
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hndog609 said:
SIAP.

McMichaels ‘had armed confrontation’ with Ahmaud Arbery less than two weeks before 'shooting jogger dead'
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Interesting tidbits:

Perez, who said he's spoken to the GBI, said he was armed when he left his home on February 11 to check on the home on Satilla Drive.

As he approached the house under construction, he said he saw Travis McMichael drive up from the opposite direction and stop his truck.


"Travis saw him in the yard and Travis stopped," he said.

"He confronted (the man) halfway into the yard. He said (the man) reached for his waistband, and Travis got spooked and went down the road."


When cops arrived, he described to officers the vehicle he believed he saw Arbery enter before it drove off.

Perez said officers recognized the young man from other security camera videos that had placed him at the construction site months before.

"All we knew about him was that he was the guy who kept showing up in our cameras," he said.

"No one know who it was."
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Interesting tidbits:

Perez, who said he's spoken to the GBI, said he was armed when he left his home on February 11 to check on the home on Satilla Drive.

As he approached the house under construction, he said he saw Travis McMichael drive up from the opposite direction and stop his truck.


"Travis saw him in the yard and Travis stopped," he said.

"He confronted (the man) halfway into the yard. He said (the man) reached for his waistband, and Travis got spooked and went down the road."


When cops arrived, he described to officers the vehicle he believed he saw Arbery enter before it drove off.

Perez said officers recognized the young man from other security camera videos that had placed him at the construction site months before.

"All we knew about him was that he was the guy who kept showing up in our cameras," he said.

"No one know who it was."
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What interesting tidbits?
 
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Behr said:
What interesting tidbits?
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- That Arbery had already been confronted by the neighbors before and acted like he had a gun possibly
- That officers had responded to previous calls even though "no police reports were filed"
- That officers had witnessed the Security Camera footage from previous calls at the house in question
- That the neighborhood were familiar with these events
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
- That Arbery had already been confronted by the neighbors before and acted like he had a gun possibly
- That officers had responded to previous calls even though "no police reports were filed"
- That officers had witnessed the Security Camera footage from previous calls at the house in question
- That the neighborhood was familiar with these events
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Isn't this like most of us have been saying? Arbery matched the description of someone seen in the neighborhood on an earlier date (or multiple dates) and the McMichaels pursued him and attempted to detain him based on that premise.
 
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bamawriter said:
Isn't this like most of us have been saying? Arbery matched the description of someone seen in the neighborhood on an earlier date (or multiple dates) and the McMichaels pursued him and attempted to detain him based on that premise.
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There is a little more information gleamed in there than was earlier presented and some that was outright denied here (i.e. there had been no police reports in the neighborhood recently (most police calls don't have reports) OR that McMichael had never seen him do anything personally

I'm curious to see what else drips out from the investigation as it continues
 
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