The murder of Ahmaud Arbery

- That Arbery had already been confronted by the neighbors before and acted like he had a gun possibly
- That officers had responded to previous calls even though "no police reports were filed"
- That officers had witnessed the Security Camera footage from previous calls at the house in question
- That the neighborhood were familiar with these events
None of that is new to me. Its funny the link said he was a jogger and they already had an armed confrontation with him. They don't know if he was just pulling up his pants or messing with his junk. But by gawd they thought he might have one when they took off after him the day they killed him.

Yea. "Interesting tidbits". Lol.
 
There is a little more information gleamed in there than was earlier presented and some that was outright denied here (i.e. there had been no police reports in the neighborhood recently (most police calls don't have reports) OR that McMichael had never seen him do anything personally

I'm curious to see what else drips out from the investigation as it continues
If it is like this information, it will be nothing of consequence.
 
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There is a little more information gleamed in there than was earlier presented and some that was outright denied here (i.e. there had been no police reports in the neighborhood recently (most police calls don't have reports) OR that McMichael had never seen him do anything personally

To the extent that you're referring to me, I never once said that the McMichaels never saw Arbery at some previous point in time. I've mentioned repeatedly that Greg McMichael told police he'd seen him (or someone matching his discription) at some non-specific point in the past. All this report does is make that point specific.
 
- That Arbery had already been confronted by the neighbors before and acted like he had a gun possibly
- That officers had responded to previous calls even though "no police reports were filed"
- That officers had witnessed the Security Camera footage from previous calls at the house in question
- That the neighborhood were familiar with these events
So do any of your "tidbits" change the fact that they shot an unarmed man or do you think it was somehow justified?
 
To the extent that you're referring to me, I never once said that the McMichaels never saw Arbery at some previous point in time. I've mentioned repeatedly that Greg McMichael told police he'd seen him (or someone matching his discription) at some non-specific point in the past. All this report does is make that point specific.
He investigated Arbery previously, I thought. I looked and found this:

https://nypost.com/2020/05/08/father-of-georgia-shooter-had-investigated-ahmaud-arbery/
 
He investigated Arbery previously, I thought. I looked and found this:

https://nypost.com/2020/05/08/father-of-georgia-shooter-had-investigated-ahmaud-arbery/

Frankly, whatever I think of Greg McMichael and his actions in this situation, I think folks pointing out the fact that he previously investigated Arbery are making much ado about nothing. He was a local investigator that participated in a local investigation. Who's to say he even remembered this one random shoplifting case? Either way, Arbery was convicted as a result of that investigation, so it's not like McMichael would have had some sort of revenge motive because Arbery escaped justice.
 
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Frankly, whatever I think of Greg McMichael and his actions in this situation, I think folks pointing out the fact that he previously investigated Arbery are making much ado about nothing. He was a local investigator that participated in a local investigation. Who's to say he even remembered this one random shoplifting case? Either way, Arbery was convicted as a result of that investigation, so it's not like McMichael would have had some sort of revenge motive because Arbery escaped justice.
Didn't take that context from it. Who says that it was the violation of probation or the original case for the gun possession at high school that McMichael was involved with? I didn't get that distiction from the article. Maybe you have another and better report? I'm pretty sure he didn't connect him with his previous incident/contact. A high school age teen and a 25 year old man's appearance can and usually changes drastically. If it was the probation violation, who knows what he did in regards to that case? It merely shows that he had a previous investigation involving Arbery and that's it. You can draw anything you feel like from it but it's just information.
 
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Didn't take that context from it. Who says that it was the violation of probation or the original case for the gun possession at high school that McMichael was involved with? I didn't get that distiction from the article. Maybe you have another and better report?

From the article you linked:

When Arbery, 25, was in high school, he was sentenced to five years’ probation as a first offender on charges of carrying a weapon on campus, and several counts of obstructing a law enforcement officer, the paper reported.

In 2018, he was convicted of a probation violation after he was charged with shoplifting, according to court documents obtained by the outlet.

McMichael, who retired from the DA’s office in April 2019, never referenced his work on that probe to cops, according to the report. The DA learned about the ties “three or four weeks” earlier, he said.

I don't know of another way to read that other than to understand that McMichael worked on the investigation into the shoplifting/probation violation. Perhaps the writer meant that McMichael worked on the high school incident or both cases, but if so he needs to work on his structure.

I'm pretty sure he didn't connect him with his previous incident/contact. A high school age teen and a 25 year old man's appearance can and usually changes drastically. If it was the probation violation, who knows what he did in regards to that case? It merely shows show that he had a previous investigation involving Arbery and that's it. You can draw anything you feel like from it but it's just information.

Agreed. I don't find that info terribly illuminating.
 
A few years ago my wife was on a sequestered jury taken from Nashville to Chattanooga for a trial involving and officer shooting that resulted in death. I turned out that the 'gun' the guy who got shot was going for was a baked potato in his glove box. Seriously, a baked potato. Not guilty in less than 2 hours.
 
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A few years ago my wife was on a sequestered jury taken from Nashville to Chattanooga for a trial involving and officer shooting that resulted in death. I turned out that the 'gun' the guy who got shot was going for was a baked potato in his glove box. Seriously, a baked potato. Not guilty in less than 2 hours.
I knew a guy who was shot deader than a hammer by the police because he used a pair of vise grips to open the passenger door to get out. The door handle was missing from the door panel inside the car. It was after dark and the policeman saw the dead man holding a shiny object in his hand, that reflected the flashing lights on the cop car. He was armed with a pair of vice grips. The victim was a poor white man, so there was basically no news coverage.
 

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Do you consider questioning the jogging story a slam against Arbery? I think the comments have been mostly fair..... with the general consensus being the overacting stupidity of the Mcmichaels

He clearly wasn't jogging, but I agree most can see the stupidity in what they did. Hopefully they also do now.
 
I don't believe the jogging story. I think Arbery was a neighborhood thief. I don't believe the shooters acted responsibly and within the law. I believe they should be tried for manslaughter for sure and possibly murder.

Arbery wasn't a great person the shooters aren't either. Arbery didn't deserve to die. All those things can be true and are in no way at odds.
 
Do you consider questioning the jogging story a slam against Arbery? I think the comments have been mostly fair..... with the general consensus being the overacting stupidity of the Mcmichaels

Do you think the article is responding to general consensus? Why?
 
You asked if I had been itt..... I responded. I don’t really care about the article because only those that were there know exactly what happened

People itt have been trying to excuse the mcmichaels. I didn't say it was a consensus. Thanks for the needless detour
 
Interesting tidbits:

Perez, who said he's spoken to the GBI, said he was armed when he left his home on February 11 to check on the home on Satilla Drive.

As he approached the house under construction, he said he saw Travis McMichael drive up from the opposite direction and stop his truck.


"Travis saw him in the yard and Travis stopped," he said.

"He confronted (the man) halfway into the yard. He said (the man) reached for his waistband, and Travis got spooked and went down the road."


When cops arrived, he described to officers the vehicle he believed he saw Arbery enter before it drove off.

Perez said officers recognized the young man from other security camera videos that had placed him at the construction site months before.

"All we knew about him was that he was the guy who kept showing up in our cameras," he said.

"No one know who it was."
Not that interesting. The way I read it, he did not actually witness the "confrontation" between McMichael and Arbery so we only have McMichael's word that it went down that way. Arbery is dead so he can't dispute it. Also, what is this about describing a vehicle Arbery entered? Arbery was on foot. If he saw a black man get into a vehicle, was it a different black man than Arbery? Makes no sense.

I don't see how this helps the McMichaels at all.
 

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