The murder of Ahmaud Arbery

[Rickyvol77]

It's been implied throughout this thread. You keep trying to convince us you're an impartial fact seeker and that we should regard you as a devil's advocate that's simply riding the fence of impartiality.

The problem is you keep falling off and we all see it.

"implied" huh? lol I never said you or any other poster should regard my opinion as anything. I base my opinions on both the law and logical thinking. We will see how this plays out in court, just like the other similar cases i have commented on in the past

 

[Vol8188]

A prior police complaint a few weeks prior said they saw a black dude going through homes and approached him and ran him off and it was assumed to be the same guy.

Who's assuming?

If it’s the same night as some of the previous videos from the house, I don’t think it’s an assumption.

 

[GoBigOrangeUT]

Oh, in that case.

Sure, why not take precautions to avoid something that has a 0.0000000000000000000001% of happening at any point in time but let’s not take precautions to avoid dying from Covid, which has a much higher chance of killing you.

 

[Rickyvol77]

In that regard? Yep, sure did.

I get that the analogy escapes you because it's difficult to reconcile that Bryan the hayseed and Muhammad the ********** were both knowingly filming because they knew sht was about to go down, that makes them accessories.

SO you do think that Bryan knew that the McMichaels were going to shoot Arbery no matter what because that was their intent? You have a weird sense of logic sometimes

 

[jp1]

Sure, why not take precautions to avoid something that has a 0.0000000000000000000001% of happening at any point in time but let’s not take precautions to avoid dying from Covid, which has a much higher chance of killing you.

I'm not entirely sure what you are even talking about, but in regards to your previous response, you really don't see it?

 

[Septic]

"implied" huh? lol I never said you or any other poster should regard my opinion as anything.

You're in luck.

I base my opinions on both the law and logical thinking. We will see how this plays out in court, just like the other similar cases i have commented on in the past

 

[Rickyvol77]

You're in luck.

You seem more of a Jerry Springer type

 

[GoBigOrangeUT]

I'm not entirely sure what you are even talking about, but in regards to your previous response, you really don't see it?

If we are really VALUING human life, wouldn’t locking down to save 1% of people be just as imperative as protecting those 2 21 week year olds?

 

[bamawriter]

The dudes who shot the guy thought it was the same person. If it was or not is a moot point.

Not moot at all. They are the one's claiming they were attempting a citizen's arrest. They are the ones making his identity an issue that must be reconciled.

 

[Septic]

SO you do think that Bryan knew that the McMichaels were going to shoot Arbery no matter what because that was their intent? You have a weird sense of logic sometimes

I don't know what Bryan was thinking for certain any more than you do. However, it's a reasonable deduction that he was aware of the potential of an aggravated assault given his knowledge they were armed and were looking to confront him. his accessory to the crime was pretty clear given he was in the pursuit for 4 to 5 minutes and looked to help with cutting Arbery off. If you can convince me he was simply looking to sell some scentsy candles or homemade deer jerky I'll digress.

 

[jp1]

If we are really VALUING human life, wouldn’t locking down to save 1% of people be just as imperative as protecting those 2 21 week year olds?

Again, you have lost me on the coronavirus connection here. Are you arguing that the two 21 week post gestational age babies are important or not?

 

[jp1]

I don't know what Bryan was thinking for certain any more than you do. However, it's a reasonable deduction that he was aware of the potential of an aggravated assault given his knowledge they were armed and were looking to confront him. his accessory to the crime was pretty clear given he was in the pursuit for 4 to 5 minutes and looked to help with cutting Arbery off. If you can convince me he was simply looking to sell some scentsy candles or homemade deer jerky I'll digress.

Did he know they were armed?

 

[Septic]

If we are really VALUING human life, wouldn’t locking down to save 1% of people be just as imperative as protecting those 2 21 week year olds?

Shh man, let him get balls deep before you tell him it's a dude.

 

[Septic]

Did he know they were armed?

You're right, he was as probably as stupid as the mcmichaels. He probably thought the old man in the back of the pickup truck was carrying pitchforks and torches.

 

[jp1]

You're right, he was as probably as stupid as the mcmichaels. He probably thought the old man in the back of the pickup truck was carrying pitchforks and torches.

So your answer is...."I don't know if Bryan knew if they were armed or not"? Or am I reading your response wrong?

 

[Septic]

So your answer is...."I don't know if Bryan knew if they were armed or not"? Or am I reading your response wrong?

I don't know, common sense would suggest he was aware since he was involved with chase from the beginning.

I get your point, it's just that it's not very at all convincing to believe bryan was simply a bystander sitting in his car reading the good book when his car was thrust into "drive" and miraculously followed and helped trap the victim all while his phone magically started recording.

 

[jp1]

I don't know, common sense would suggest he was aware since he was involved with chase from the beginning.

I get your point, it's just that it's not very at all convincing to believe bryan was simply a bystander sitting in his car reading the good book.

I didn't know if you were good with making assumptions or not regarding the case (you made another one in Bryan's involvement in chase from beginning). I don't have a problem with using common sense in making those observations, but that knife cuts both ways.

 

[RockyTop85]

39-11-402. Criminal responsibility for conduct of another.



A person is criminally responsible for an offense committed by the conduct of another, if:

(1) Acting with the culpability required for the offense, the person causes or aids an innocent or irresponsible person to engage in conduct prohibited by the definition of the offense;

(2) Acting with intent to promote or assist the commission of the offense, or to benefit in the proceeds or results of the offense, the person solicits, directs, aids, or attempts to aid another person to commit the offense; or

(3) Having a duty imposed by law or voluntarily undertaken to prevent commission of the offense and acting with intent to benefit in the proceeds or results of the offense, or to promote or assist its commission, the person fails to make a reasonable effort to prevent commission of the offense.

I haven’t looked hard for Georgia’s corresponding statute, but in TN this is the hook that would determine whether you catch Bryan. Part 2 seems most applicable, IMO.

Again it’s not GA law, but in TN the intent and aid apply to the aggravated assault. I think the case against Bryan would be more favorable to the defense, based on my limited following of the facts, if they were being tried in TN. That of course is worthless analysis, but might help somebody find the relevant GA law.

 

[vollygirl]

Records show a neighborhood on edge before Arbery’s final run

“I was leaving the neighborhood and I just caught a guy running into a house being built,” he told the dispatcher. “When I turned around, he took off running into the house. We’ve been having a lot of burglaries and break-ins around here lately.”

In fact, police had not filed a burglary report for months, although between August 2019 and Feb. 23, records show 87 calls from Satilla Shores reporting various activity, including suspicious behavior, trespassing and thefts.

“Yeah, it just startled me,” McMichael responded. “When I turned around and saw him and backed up, he reached into his pocket and ran into the house. So, I don’t know if he’s armed or not. But he looked like he was acting like he was. I’ve never seen this guy before in the neighborhood.”

That's February 11th.

I'm not sure if this is an opinion piece or not, but how do you have someone call and report theft, and there is no burglary report? Also from the article: Travis McMichael was unarmed. His handgun had been taken from his unlocked truck on New Year’s Day. And what kind of idiot leaves his gun in an unlock car, when he claims there have been thefts for months?

 

[GoBigOrangeUT]

Records show a neighborhood on edge before Arbery’s final run


That's February 11th.

I'm not sure if this is an opinion piece or not, but how do you have someone call and report theft, and there is no burglary report? Also from the article: Travis McMichael was unarmed. His handgun had been taken from his unlocked truck on New Year’s Day. And what kind of idiot leaves his gun in an unlock car, when he claims there have been thefts for months?

The irresponsible gun owners who makes all of them look bad. Not that I’m surprised that a guy who leaves his gun in an unlocked car also uses a gun to murder someone.

 

[Rickyvol77]

Records show a neighborhood on edge before Arbery’s final run


That's February 11th.

I'm not sure if this is an opinion piece or not, but how do you have someone call and report theft, and there is no burglary report? Also from the article: Travis McMichael was unarmed. His handgun had been taken from his unlocked truck on New Year’s Day. And what kind of idiot leaves his gun in an unlock car, when he claims there have been thefts for months?

Just because someone calls the police doesn't mean a report if filed. Sometimes people don't want to make a report, they just want them to know what happened. This happens all the time...


For KPD for example, they may have 300k calls for service and may right 50k-70k reports in a year.

It's clear the homeowner was texting the police regularly about his camera findings and of the previous incidents. I'd be willing to bet that officer was texting McMichael as well since he clearly had talked to him about it prior

 

[Rickyvol77]

The irresponsible gun owners who makes all of them look bad. Not that I’m surprised that a guy who leaves his gun in an unlocked car also uses a gun to murder someone.

You won't have any argument from me that someone who leaves a gun (or anything valuable) in an unlocked car is a moron

 

[vollygirl]

Just because someone calls the police doesn't mean a report if filed. Sometimes people don't want to make a report, they just want them to know what happened. This happens all the time...


For KPD for example, they may have 300k calls for service and may right 50k-70k reports in a year.

It's clear the homeowner was texting the police regularly about his camera findings and of the previous incidents. I'd be willing to bet that officer was texting McMichael as well since he clearly had talked to him about it prior

So they cared enough to point a gun at the guy, but not enough to fill a report. Gotcha.

 

[VolunteerHillbilly]

maybe it was a set up. they left the gun in the car knowing it would be stolen and then they'd have a reason to shoot the thief.

 

[Purple Tiger]

You're right, he was as probably as stupid as the mcmichaels. He probably thought the old man in the back of the pickup truck was carrying pitchforks and torches.

Rope, too.