The murder of Ahmaud Arbery

[GreyWolf1129]

I think they are guilty but in their defense..... from someone who has had stuff take ..... filing a report is a waste of time bc the police don’t do sh$t with it....

Maybe where you live, and probably in big cities where property crimes occur at the rate of 100/hr, but...

If you don't have serial numbers, then yes...it's probably a losing effort. But if you do, we (at both agencies I've worked at) enter the property into our own property records, then NCIC (if applicable), and then we run the local pawn records. In my area, FYI, we can electronically scan pawn records between Savannah and Jax. You'd be amazed how many hits we get on stolen property where we have identifying info. Georgia has a pretty strict set of pawn laws, and I can inspect any pawn shop inventory, on request, without a warrant. Yes, there are shops that do business "off the books", but if we catch them, they are out of business, and arrested.

Of course, the smart thieves know our "radius" that we can scan, so they go outside that, or sell/trade it to some other idiot who ends up pawning it. Like I am fond of saying, we only catch the stupid ones...

But here, at least, we do make every effort to help you get your stuff back, and find who took it.

 

[GreyWolf1129]

Sounds like there was some half ass investigative work involved.....
Gregory, the now-retired GBI agent who spoke with the person who identified himself as Mobley, said recently he now fears he may have been given a fake number by Sparre, and the person claiming to be the boss might’ve been lying.

I mentioned this case a while back in this thread. Saw this one coming.

More skeletons out there...

 

[volbeast33]

Maybe where you live, and probably in big cities where property crimes occur at the rate of 100/hr, but...

If you don't have serial numbers, then yes...it's probably a losing effort. But if you do, we (at both agencies I've worked at) enter the property into our own property records, then NCIC (if applicable), and then we run the local pawn records. In my area, FYI, we can electronically scan pawn records between Savannah and Jax. You'd be amazed how many hits we get on stolen property where we have identifying info. Georgia has a pretty strict set of pawn laws, and I can inspect any pawn shop inventory, on request, without a warrant. Yes, there are shops that do business "off the books", but if we catch them, they are out of business, and arrested.

Of course, the smart thieves know our "radius" that we can scan, so they go outside that, or sell/trade it to some other idiot who ends up pawning it. Like I am fond of saying, we only catch the stupid ones...

But here, at least, we do make every effort to help you get your stuff back, and find who took it.

Maybe but I didn’t hear a single thing back from the police the two times it happened to me so it is very easy to develop my perception that they didn’t do sh&t.

 

[KB5252]

I'm on record as stating I don't believe a fetus younger than 22 weeks qualifies as 'life.' But please, keep deflecting from your suspension of the belief that Arbery's life is somehow less important. The gymnastics from you and your ilk are fascinating.

Secondly, I think the kid was shot because he was black and poking around the wrong neighborhood.

Using an arbitrary number to determine whether you believe an unborn child qualifies as life or not is every bit the "mental gymnastics" you accuse others of using.

 

[GreyWolf1129]

Maybe but I didn’t hear a single thing back from the police the two times it happened to me so it is very easy to develop my perception that they didn’t do sh&t.

It's all good. Years back, I was working a forgery/fraud case on my end. Victim was out about $3500. Suspect was in Dade County, Florida. So I call Miami-Dade; get transferred to their Forgery/Fraud unit; and end up talking to a super nice guy. He tells me it's so bad down there that they won't work anything under $5000. They simply don't have the resources (manpower).

So I get it. That's why, when I can, I make the extra effort. Most of us do.

 

[volbeast33]

It's all good. Years back, I was working a forgery/fraud case on my end. Victim was out about $3500. Suspect was in Dade County, Florida. So I call Miami-Dade; get transferred to their Forgery/Fraud unit; and end up talking to a super nice guy. He tells me it's so bad down there that they won't work anything under $5000. They simply don't have the resources (manpower).

So I get it. That's why, when I can, I make the extra effort. Most of us do.

I understand

 

[Septic]

Using an arbitrary number to determine whether you believe an unborn child qualifies as life or not is every bit the "mental gymnastics" you accuse others of using.

It's not arbitrary, but thanks for your input.

Doctors now consider 22 weeks the earliest gestational age when a baby is "viable," or able to survive outside the womb. But this is still extremely premature, and a baby born at this age will need a great deal of medical attention. Even if he survives, the risk of permanent disability is very high.

When can my baby survive outside the womb? | BabyCenter

 

[Rickyvol77]

They should show restraint in both instances but we are dealing with humans so all bets are off the table.....It always cracked me up when someone says that this particular cop didn’t shoot in a similar situation.... it is like people don’t understand that they are two entirely different people.

I agree...this always makes me laugh when someone is like "i don't understand the double standard because this police officer in Idaho did this but this sheriff deputy in NYC did this", it's like they are different PEOPLE, different laws, different states, different agencies, different situations, different criminals involved.

Like no two incidents are the exact same

 

[NashVol11]

My ring doorbell saw some guy walking on the neighbors driveway two weeks ago. Thinking about hunting him down and killing him.

Because that's exactly is what everyone is saying.

It kind of is, though.

Anyway, my opinion is this: this is a case of three morons playing stupid games and winning stupid prizes.

What situation did Arbery put himself in?

He was inside a property that did not belong to him on multiple occasions.

It seems many here are arguing that the "stupid game" is trespass and the "stupid prize" is death, which is pretty out there. What other stupid game was Arbery playing before he had a gun in his face?

 

[k-town_king]

African-American Pastor: Trump 'Most Pro-black President in My Lifetime'

They have a political joke thread already.

 

[Weezer]

They have a political joke thread already.

Why is it always assumed the entirety of the black community should share politics? It seems a ridiculous stance.

 

[KB5252]

It's not arbitrary, but thanks for your input.

When can my baby survive outside the womb? | BabyCenter

Babies can survive outside the womb at earlier ages than that. It's an arbitrary number. It's a number where they believe a child is more likely to survive than die outside the womb based on percentages. It does not define if the fetus qualifies as life. Only that the fetus is viable or more likely to live than die, nothing more. For the purposes of this discussion it is completely arbitrary and does not determine when and where life begins.

 

[k-town_king]

Why is it always assumed the entirety of the black community should share politics? It seems a ridiculous stance.

There is a difference between being a black conservative or Republican and being a black public figure spouting propaganda for money and exposure.

No body cares about the average every day black conservative.

 

[Septic]

Babies can survive outside the womb at earlier ages than that. It's an arbitrary number. It's a number where they believe a child is more likely to survive than die outside the womb based on percentages. It does not define if the fetus qualifies as life. Only that the fetus is viable or more likely to live than die, nothing more. For the purposes of this discussion it is completely arbitrary and does not determine when and where life begins.

Whatever you say.

 

[GoBigOrangeUT]

Babies can survive outside the womb at earlier ages than that. It's an arbitrary number. It's a number where they believe a child is more likely to survive than die outside the womb based on percentages. It does not define if the fetus qualifies as life. Only that the fetus is viable or more likely to live than die, nothing more. For the purposes of this discussion it is completely arbitrary and does not determine when and where life begins.

it’s not really arbitrary though when you have two babies in all of human history that have lived being born at 21 weeks. No babies have ever survived earlier than that.

100 billion people have been estimated to have ever lived on this planet. 2 babies out of those 100 billion have survived being born before 22 weeks, and that was at 21 weeks. When the number states that 99.99999999999999999999999999% of humans were born after 22 weeks, that’s pretty concrete evidence.

 

[Septic]

it’s not really arbitrary though when you have two babies in all of human history that have lived being born at 21 weeks. No babies have ever survived earlier than that.

100 billion people have been estimated to have ever lived on this planet. 2 babies out of those 100 billion have survived being born before 22 weeks, and that was at 21 weeks. When the number states that 99.99999999999999999999999999% of humans were born after 22 weeks, that’s pretty concrete evidence.

My guess is that he simply doesn't know the definition of 'arbitrary', which is why I let it go.

 

[KB5252]

it’s not really arbitrary though when you have two babies in all of human history that have lived being born at 21 weeks. No babies have ever survived earlier than that.

100 billion people have been estimated to have ever lived on this planet. 2 babies out of those 100 billion have survived being born before 22 weeks, and that was at 21 weeks. When the number states that 99.99999999999999999999999999% of humans were born after 22 weeks, that’s pretty concrete evidence.

But does it define life..... That's what makes it arbitrary. You can say it's not living independently, but that isn't what defines living or life. It's arbitrary to this discussion about when life begins. You can say 22 weeks or even 24 weeks, but all that establishes is that a fetus is more likely to live without complications (@24 weeks) vs thosr born at 22 and must more likely not to thrive. My only point here is that this isn't a determination of when life begins, he's arbitrarily picked that number.

 

[Septic]

But does it define life..... That's what makes it arbitrary. You can say it's not living independently, but that isn't what defines living or life. It's arbitrary to this discussion about when life begins. You can say 22 weeks or even 24 weeks, but all that establishes is that a fetus is more likely to live without complications (@24 weeks) vs thosr born at 22 and must more likely not to thrive. My only point here is that this isn't a determination of when life begins, he's arbitrarily picked that number.

I think if you go back and look, I said before 22 weeks.

What you're missing is that your beef isn't with my number, it's with where my appeal to authority begins, with the medical professionals and why I chose that time frame. I didn't pick that number at random, I reference it because statistically - viability prior to 22 weeks is generally considered incompatible with life.

If you're going to keep using the term 'arbitrary' and attributing it to me, you should understand the definition and in the context in which I applied it.

 

[KB5252]

I think if you go back and look, I said before 22 weeks.

What you're missing is that your beef isn't with my number, it's with where my appeal to authority begins, with the medical professionals and why I chose that time frame. I didn't pick that number at random, I reference it because statistically - viability prior to 22 weeks is generally considered incompatible with life.

If you're going to keep using the term 'arbitrary' and attributing it to me, you should understand the definition and in the context in which I applied it.

I understand the definition, perhaps I attributed something more to the context than you intended.

In other words your stance in regards to this topic had nothing to do with when life begins, it's when that life is viable outside the womb. That's troubling to me but I realize some don't feel as I do.

 

[GoBigOrangeUT]

I understand the definition, perhaps I attributed something more to the context than you intended.

In other words your stance in regards to this topic had nothing to do with when life begins, it's when that life is viable outside the womb. That's troubling to me but I realize some don't feel as I do.

What is the fundamental difference between being taken off of life support if you’re brain dead and aborting a fetus that is younger than 22 weeks? Neither one is viable but we seem to accept the fact that pulling the plug on the brain dead person is different.

 

[Weezer]

There is a difference between being a black conservative or Republican and being a black public figure spouting propaganda for money and exposure.

No body cares about the average every day black conservative.

Black public figure spouting propaganda for money and exposure? Like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton?

I just don't understand why certain people believe all black people should be/vote Democrat, otherwise they're "selling out". Why? Ethnicity doesn't change with politics. It's a stupid, racial argument that has no merit IMO.

 

[VolStrom]

What is the fundamental difference between being taken off of life support if you’re brain dead and aborting a fetus that is younger than 22 weeks? Neither one is viable but we seem to accept the fact that pulling the plug on the brain dead person is different.

If you can't see this difference I don't know what to say. One has lived a life and one has one to be lived.

 

[KB5252]

What is the fundamental difference between being taken off of life support if you’re brain dead and aborting a fetus that is younger than 22 weeks? Neither one is viable but we seem to accept the fact that pulling the plug on the brain dead person is different.

The plug is pulled only when the person's chances of recovering are improbable it if their explicit wish was not to live in that condition. A fetus will in all probability live a normal life. That's the fundamental difference.

Can a mother decide to pull the plug on a son or daughter who has been placed in a medical induced coma where recovery is probable? I'm asking because it's something I've never thought about before and do not know the answer to. That would be a very similar scenario fundamentally IMO.

 

[GoBigOrangeUT]

If you can't see this difference I don't know what to say. One has lived a life and one has one to be lived.

A fetus younger than 22 weeks has for all intents and purposes zero chance of being viable. A person who that is brain dead actually has a higher chance of just waking up one day compared to the fetus. But we don’t hem and haw about the brain dead person even though they are both unviable.

 

[GoBigOrangeUT]

The plug is pulled only when the person's chances of recovering are improbable it if their explicit wish was not to live in that condition. A fetus will in all probability live a normal life. That's the fundamental difference.

Can a mother decide to pull the plug on a son or daughter who has been placed in a medical induced coma where recovery is probable? I'm asking because it's something I've never thought about before and do not know the answer to. That would be a very similar scenario fundamentally IMO.

That’s just not true. Like I already stated, only two have ever lived being born before 22 weeks and they suffered from extreme mental and physical problems. That’s a far cry from living a normal life.