The murder of Ahmaud Arbery

[1972 Grad]

Because it's not coronavirus (thankfully).

I don't give a big enough f*** to even read about it.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Doesn't really matter either way.

It absolutely does matter. If the guy never raise his gun, never attempts to hold him against his will and he lunges at him, he absolutely has the right to defend himself.

 

[McDad]

The freakin 911 operator told them not to pursue and they ignored it.

Where did you get this info?

 

[Weezer]

We can. InVoluntary and Ricky aren't bad dudes. I simply think they're seeing what they want to see in the video.

I agree. They are good dudes. Which is what makes this so infinitely frustrating.

 

[McDad]

I don't give a big enough f*** to even read about it.

Then dont post.

 

[Rickyvol77]

So the guys didn't create the entire situation by grabbing guns and trying to do the police's jobs? Did the deceased make a bad decision? Yes. Was his decision directly influenced by the unlawful action of the two men? Yes.

Ok and I stated that I wouldn’t have done the same thing as these two. One was a retired police officer and knows what he’s doing. He didn’t just profile this guy jogging. That narrative is completely BS when you look at all the facts presented

You can disagree with how they handled it but they called 911 and tried to keep up to identify the guy. The situation changed for the worse when the suspect attacked the dude and tried to grab his shotgun. Then it becomes a true life or death scenario no matter what happened.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

It absolutley does matter. If the guy never raise his gun, never attempts to hold him against his will and he lunges at him, he absolutely has the right to defend himself.

Ok let's try this, next time you go for a jog or walk, I'll come chase you down with a friend with guns, and then cut you off and then come walking towards you telling you stop. I'm sure you'll just assume I want to have a nice chat and not that I'm a deranged person wanting to kill you.

 

[bamawriter]

Maybe not but you don't have the right to physically assault someone standing in the road even if they have a gun, especially if they are not threatening you with it.

The fact that they had been pursuing him before brandishing weapons can reasonably be considered a threat.

 

[McDad]

Maybe not but you don't have the right to physically assault someone standing in the road even if they have a gun, especially if they are not threatening you with it. Simply having a gun on you even when you are confronting someone isn't in itself threatening them with the gun.

We simply don't know what took place. It's weird that these videos so often miss the most important part.

There is no doubt the video from the accomplice of the duo doesn't show everything. If I'm betting, the video of the duo acting aggressively was edited out (if anything). Pure speculation on my part though.

 

[Sandman 423]

It absolutely does matter. If the guy never raise his gun, never attempts to hold him against his will and he lunges at him, he absolutely has the right to defend himself.

When they chased him down and stopped him they put themselves in that situation. No self defense.

 

[1972 Grad]

Then dont post.

Excuse me. I wasn't aware that I am not allowed to offer the viewpoint that some of us dgaff!

 

[bamawriter]

It absolutely does matter. If the guy never raise his gun, never attempts to hold him against his will and he lunges at him, he absolutely has the right to defend himself.

That is nonsense. He pursued a pedestrian in truck, cut him off twice, and then stepped out brandishing a shotgun. Any reasonable mind would consider that a threat.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

Ok and I stated that I wouldn’t have done the same thing as these two. One was a retired police officer and knows what he’s doing. He didn’t just profile this guy jogging. That narrative is completely BS when you look at all the facts presented

You can disagree with how they handled it but they called 911 and tried to keep up to identify the guy. The situation changed for the worse when the suspect attacked the dude and tried to grab his shotgun. Then it becomes a true life or death scenario no matter what happened.

A) 911 told him not to pursue. They didn't need his damn help.

B) Bull f***ing sh** on you saying the narrative is BS. The police report itself says they saw him looking in the window of a house under construction and lead redneck THOUGHT he looked like a guy that he had HEARD was trying to break into other houses. In other words, assumed.

C) If he "knows what he's doing" I hate to see it when he has no idea. And he's NOT a cop anymore, so him USED to being a cop means jack sh**.

 

[1972 Grad]

Because got to have a racial narrative about the poor criminal who didn’t do nuffin

I assume the dead guy is black and the killer or killers are white, or we wouldn't be discussing it?

 

[VolsSportsFan]

That is nonsense. He pursued a pedestrian in truck, cut him off twice, and then stepped out brandishing a shotgun. Any reasonable mind would consider that a threat.

It's amazing the mental gymnastics these guys are jumping through but I'm hardly surprised.

 

[InVOLuntary]

I explained my position with better clarity. You either didn't see or didnt understand. Your summary of my stance is incorrect.

My apologies if I misscharacterized your position but I thought you used the words " I convict them of". Maybe I missed it. Like I said I'm not defending the two guys, I just don't see enough to convict them of murder. Definitely terrible judgment.

 

[bamawriter]

Excuse me. I wasn't aware that I am not allowed to offer the viewpoint that some of us dgaff!

Nothing says I dgaf like writing multiple posts.

 

[DinkinFlicka]

Seems like most people have judged the shooter as being in the wrong in this case.

Maybe I'm missing it, but there's 2 posters who don't see this as wrong, if not murder.

Moreso speaking to the fact that we have 2 people versus 20 amd somehow this is being debated for 12 pages.

Given, it's Ricky and he's as likely to admit his reaction was wrong as a hunk of sh*t is to stop stinking.

 

[McDad]

I agree. They are good dudes. Which is what makes this so infinitely frustrating.

Even good people make bad judgements.

Look at you and your new avi for example.

 

[InVOLuntary]

When they chased him down and stopped him they put themselves in that situation. No self defense.

As I've stated, the guy could have easily turned and ran the other way.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

Where did you get this info?

It was in the early reports of the incident. I'll have to see if I can find it again.

 

[DinkinFlicka]

Even good people make bad judgements.

Look at you and your new avi for example.

I took a photo of my dog the other day and it made me think of you:

 

[InVOLuntary]

That is nonsense. He pursued a pedestrian in truck, cut him off twice, and then stepped out brandishing a shotgun. Any reasonable mind would consider that a threat.

It's not nonsense. He could have still ran the other way.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

As I've stated, the guy could have easily turned and ran the other way.

Well good idea, because he had already done that. They had cut him off once and he ran the other way and they had caught up to him again.

Also, they could have never chased after him too.

 

[McDad]

Ok and I stated that I wouldn’t have done the same thing as these two. One was a retired police officer and knows what he’s doing. He didn’t just profile this guy jogging. That narrative is completely BS when you look at all the facts presented

You can disagree with how they handled it but they called 911 and tried to keep up to identify the guy. The situation changed for the worse when the suspect attacked the dude and tried to grab his shotgun. Then it becomes a true life or death scenario no matter what happened.

You got a citizen wanting to help you search for a suspect.

Is he safer in or out of his car?