The murder of Ahmaud Arbery

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Rickyvol77 said:
911 has recordings you know. The fact they called the police and told them exactly what was going on is not up for debate
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Is it on the 911 recording them saying to the guy, hey, the police are on their way? Because unless it is, simply saying yeah, we said that, is not proof.
 
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“According to that law, you actually have to be observing the crime or be in the immediate knowledge of the crime,” Lee Merritt, an attorney for Arbery’s family said.
 
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“The only thing they have ever said is … that Ahmaud stopped by a house that was under construction and he looked through the window. We don’t know if that happened or not, but even if that did happen that is not a felony that would invoke the citizen’s arrest statute that would make this allowable.”
 
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n_huffhines said:
“According to that law, you actually have to be observing the crime or be in the immediate knowledge of the crime,” Lee Merritt, an attorney for Arbery’s family said.
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They observed him trespassing at the least. I don’t know what the Ga state law is for prowling
 
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bamawriter said:
I'm curious as to this history of B&E? The only thing I've seen about his record was a shoplifting conviction.
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I was just going off the other guys post.....I would be curious to know why he was there as well if what they claimed were true.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
No other way out?
The choices were:

- stop and wait for the police to arrive sine they were on the way
- keep running away in the direction away from them as they couldn’t catch him
- run straight towards the guy and punch him and try to steal his shotgun
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You have a point here.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Except they didn’t point any firearms at him. Until he attacked them
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Do we know this or is that just the claim being made at the moment? The veracity of that claim (or any extent of the threat reasonable to be assumed by the shootee at the time of confrontation) is precisely the sort of thing that will be introduced at trial.
 
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volbeast33 said:
I was just going off the other guys post.....I would be curious to know why he was there as well if what they claimed were true.
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Doesn't matter why he was there unless they actually witnessed him commit a crime. They haven't claimed that they did.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Blockade? Lol
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Deflection from the point I'm trying to make.

This kind of behavior from anyone is stupid and not normal. Sorry, picking up your guns going to try and track down criminals is mentally deranged behavior. And furthermore, tracking down someone who you only "think" is a criminal adds a whole other level of mental derangement and stupidity to this circumstance.

Police should be the ones tracking criminals with guns drawn if it comes down to that.
 
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This should have been a thread of poking fun at EL for once again trying to blame Trump for something he in no way deserved blame for. Instead, I can't believe someone actually took the bait to defend these guys and their actions. Imagine if it came back this guy didn't have a felony record and he was indeed just jogging. I mean, the two men had no way of knowing anything with certainty beforehand, yet armed themselves and chased this guy down. I'm not sure how you don't see the wrongness in this situation. Mind blown.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
You could argue the going after someone on your property part but the shooting happened because the guy assaulted them
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Just like civilians would get in trouble if they chased a burglar off of their property and shot him, the spirit of the law here would (probably) be the same. You can't arm yourself and then chase after someone in the middle of the streets off of your property.
 
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Weezer said:
This should have been a thread of poking fun at EL for once again trying to blame Trump for something he in no way deserved blame for. Instead, I can't believe someone actually took the bait to defend these guys and their actions. Imagine if it came back this guy didn't have a felony record and he was indeed just jogging. I mean, the two men had no way of knowing anything with certainty beforehand, yet armed themselves and chased this guy down. I'm not sure how you don't see the wrongness in this situation. Mind blown.
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That prob could’ve been argued if the guy hadn’t attacked them. That is still the key point in this whole discussion. HE is the one who physically assaulted and attempted to take a gun out of a guys hand
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Just like civilians would get in trouble if they chased a burglar off of their property and shot him, the spirit of the law here would (probably) be the same. You can't arm yourself and then chase after someone in the middle of the streets off of your property.
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They wouldn’t get in trouble if they chased a burglar off their property and he turned around and attacked them
 
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Matt2496 said:
Deflection from the point I'm trying to make.

This kind of behavior from anyone is stupid and not normal. Sorry, picking up your guns going to try and track down criminals is mentally deranged behavior. And furthermore, tracking down someone who you only "think" is a criminal adds a whole other level of mental derangement and stupidity to this circumstance.

Police should be the ones tracking criminals with guns drawn if it comes down to that.
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They knew he committed at least one crime because they witnessed it. They didn’t “pick up their guns”. They already carry firearms and the father was a former police officer
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
They knew he committed at least one crime because they witnessed it. They didn’t “pick up their guns”. They already carry firearms and the father was a former police officer
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Again, they claimed they saw him look in a window of a house under construction. That is not a felony, therefore they had no cause to interfere with him.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
That prob could’ve been argued if the guy hadn’t attacked them. That is still the key point in this whole discussion. HE is the one who physically assaulted and attempted to take a gun out of a guys hand
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lmao The two men acted in an unlawful way and it led to someone's death. Why did the man exit his vehicle holding his shotgun? Why not empty handed if all he was looking to do was tell the guy the police were on their way? How do you not see they were wrong?
 
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volbeast33 said:
I was just going off the other guys post.....I would be curious to know why he was there as well if what they claimed were true.
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Definitely fishy why he was there. Look, I'm not saying the guy is innocent, but no one needed to lose their lives, either. If we would have had calm people that would have been able to de-escalate the situation, everyone would be alive and justice would have been served. But since we have two yahoos with LE experience, then that explains why the situation ended up with shots fired.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
That prob could’ve been argued if the guy hadn’t attacked them. That is still the key point in this whole discussion. HE is the one who physically assaulted and attempted to take a gun out of a guys hand
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So here's what I can discern from the video. The truck with the gunmen had stopped prior to Arbery reaching them. The son was standing in the left lane. The father was in the back of the truck in the right lane. Arbery served to the left lane, then quickly changes course to the right lane and passes the truck on the right shoulder of the road. Then it appears he quickly swerves back to the left again after passing the truck and has the conflict with the son, resulting in him being shot. Is that what everyone else sees? Just wondering if we all agree on what the video shows.
 
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