The murder of Ahmaud Arbery

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I have one question for all of you armchair QBs. At what point in time are you allowed to kill someone for running down the road? Did these guys think this guy killed one of their grandmothers? If I was on the jury I'd fry these bastards.
 
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VolStrom said:
I have one question for all of you armchair QBs. At what point in time are you allowed to kill someone for running down the road? Did these guys think this guy killed one of their grandmothers? If I was on the jury I'd fry these bastards.
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They didnt shoot him for that, he was shot because he attacked a guy and tried to steal his gun. The DA suggested it's even likely he pulled the trigger himself during the struggle
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
They didnt shoot him for that, he was shot because he attacked a guy and tried to steal his gun. The DA suggested it's even likely he pulled the trigger himself during the struggle
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Give me a break. You keep classifying it as stealing his gun. There is zero evidence of that. Trying to disarm an attacker is different than trying to rob him.
 
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VolStrom said:
I have one question for all of you armchair QBs. At what point in time are you allowed to kill someone for running down the road? Did these guys think this guy killed one of their grandmothers? If I was on the jury I'd fry these bastards.
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I get what Ricky is saying. On the video there was no escalation to violence until the guy attacked the son holding a shotgun.
 
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Behr said:
I don't understand why he cut back to the left in front of the truck where the guy was with the gun.

It seemed to me from my view that he was running on the left side of the road, saw the guy with the gun standing in the road in his path then cut to the right behind the truck and looked as though he was headed that way, then for some reason cut back to the left in front of the truck where he knew the guy with the gun was.
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It's impossible to know given that the video pans to the right and doesn't catch any of it. What's pretty obvious is that the driver also crossed toward the front of the truck by the time the camera comes back around. It's not like the tussle begins where the driver had been standing. My guess is that they both reached the front of the truck at roughly the same time and Arbery decided that it was the time to switch from flight to fight.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
sick and tired of being chased by armed vigilantes and saw it as his best chance?
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He'd already tried flight once, only for them to circle back on him. That left fight. People can say what they want, but he had every reason to believe getting shot in the back was a possibility. Why bring guns if you simply want to talk?
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
They didnt shoot him for that, he was shot because he attacked a guy and tried to steal his gun. The DA suggested it's even likely he pulled the trigger himself during the struggle
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So he decided to go out on a leisurely jog and decided to attack some neighborhood resident and steal his gun. Sounds plausible to me.
 
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TheDeeble said:
The dumbest thing someone could do imo is run at a person holding a gun. Maybe if you're in an enclosed area or somewhere where no escape is possible, but he's outside. The whole neighborhood is an escape route.
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He's trying to get home and they've blocked his path.
 
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TheDeeble said:
The dumbest thing someone could do imo is run at a person holding a gun. Maybe if you're in an enclosed area or somewhere where no escape is possible, but he's outside. The whole neighborhood is an escape route.
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He'd already run from them once, and they'd circled back around to block him off a second time. And if the filming vehicle was also chasing him, I'm can only assume he figured he was out of options.
 
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TheDeeble said:
I get what Ricky is saying. On the video there was no escalation to violence until the guy attacked the son holding a shotgun.
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But there was ample threat of violence. You don't have to wait to be physically attacked before defending yourself. Especially in a SYG state like GA.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
They didnt shoot him for that, he was shot because he attacked a guy and tried to steal his gun. The DA suggested it's even likely he pulled the trigger himself during the struggle
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Again, the DA the father had worked for? The DA's opinion loses a lot of credibility when you factor that information in.
 
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Septic said:
Crystal ball hot take: They won't plead, it'll go to trial. They'll probably get off and the black community will freak out and the racists will be all:


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Rinse and repeat.
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Can't make one post without calling someone racist because they can control their emotions. Just because some people don't overreact emotionally and riot and tear stuff up doesn't mean they are racist. If these guys, at the very least the shooter, go to jail, then that will be a travesty but those have occurred before.
 
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bamawriter said:
He'd already run from them once, and they'd circled back around to block him off a second time. And if the filming vehicle was also chasing him, I'm can only assume he figured he was out of options.
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3 armed idiots against one jogger. Why does this crap happen?
 
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Vol8188 said:
If they get a reasonable plea deal the discord and violence will ensue
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Hopefully they prosecutor threatens them with Murder-1 and would allow them to plead down to manslaughter where it should be anyway and they take it.
 
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VolStrom said:
3 armed idiots against one jogger. Why does this crap happen?
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Where does it come from saying he was a jogger? I thought it was pretty clear cut that he was snooping around places and was running away....but the national tone has to be set that he was "jogger, gentle giant, on his way to college" etc.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
It's not...there is absolutely no evidence that the two guys had intent to want to shoot the guy...they were on the phone with 911 and they never once shot at him or made intent to until he attacked the son.
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Their intent is irrelevant to their responsibility.
 
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bamawriter said:
He'd already run from them once, and they'd circled back around to block him off a second time. And if the filming vehicle was also chasing him, I'm can only assume he figured he was out of options.
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It's reasonable to believe that even if the filming vehicle was not acting in coordination with the two men, the deceased had no way of knowing that. Two vehicles following you around by random? Much more plausible to believe that they are together than not together.
 
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TheDeeble said:
I get what Ricky is saying. On the video there was no escalation to violence until the guy attacked the son holding a shotgun.
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This is the main point i've tried to make all along, regardless of other opinions and biases. The fact is there was absolutely NO physical violence until the suspect attacked the guy and tried to take his gun
 
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Bigun said:
Where does it come from saying he was a jogger? I thought it was pretty clear cut that he was snooping around places and was running away....but the national tone has to be set that he was "jogger, gentle giant, on his way to college" etc.
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Okay, change it to why do you kill people?
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
It's not...there is absolutely no evidence that the two guys had intent to want to shoot the guy...they were on the phone with 911 and they never once shot at him or made intent to until he attacked the son.
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I don't see either guy holding a phone in the video, just guns.
 
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