The murder of Ahmaud Arbery

#1,177
#1,177
Rickyvol77 said:
no, the runner could have ran away or ignored them a million times if he wanted to...but he chose to run up and escalate to violence.
Click to expand...
And they escalated the situation by blocking a public road while brandishing weapons.
 
#1,180
#1,180
TheDeeble said:
Yes, they were following him. I imagine they'd state that's what they were doing. And that's all they'd done up to that point.

If they wanted to shoot him, assault him, ect there was opportunity to do so. But imo, there was no escalation of the situation until he attacked the guy holding a shotgun. As I said before, the video is hardly enough to make a definite accusation either way. You can't hear what's been said. And you can't even follow what's happening because so much is missed when it shakes left and right.
Click to expand...
They blocked the road while brandishing weapons and you don't consider that escalation? Unreal.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 82_VOL_83
#1,185
#1,185
Weezer said:
They blocked the road while brandishing weapons and you don't consider that escalation? Unreal.
Click to expand...
I agree, but do you agree all of the below can be true?

1) Don't go around prowling and trying to steal things? (reports that Arbery was doing that, not confirmed though but doesn't seem likely he was out for a jog)
2) Don't grab your guns and block the road, even after the 911 lady says not to
3) Don't confront the guy with a gun and end up having to shoot him and kill him and likely end up in prison for a long long time.
 
#1,186
#1,186
Rickyvol77 said:
I saw two armed men, and only one of them had a gun visible to the suspect during the encounter
Click to expand...
You need to read up on this. He may or may not have been guilty of what he was accused but the 2 guys that armed themselves and then chased him down need to face murder counts. All they had to do was call 911 and then safely follow Arbery. If he was simply jogging he would have gone home and the cops could have confronted him there. I am what folks on here consider a gun nut (which I'm not, just believe in the 2A as written) and even I think these two guys need to go down. At a minimum life for the guy that confronted him with a gun. That is some amount of premeditation.
 
#1,187
#1,187
Weezer said:
You keep making the runner out to be the idiot while ignoring the mountain of idiocy engaged in by the two men. Idiocy that led to the runner being killed.
Click to expand...
No they all can be idiots, i'm not ignoring the idiocy of the other two, but i only believe the physical altercation led to the actual shooting. I see no evidence that the two guys would've shot this guy in any other scenario.

It comes down to there is only these possible scenarios in the suspect's mind:

#1 - "I wandered down here in a neighborhood that's not my own while jogging and these white dudes are chasing me in a truck and yelled something at me and told me to stop and something about the police, i am totally scared of said white dudes and i just saw one has a shotgun in his hand standing in the road. I need to run 30-40 ft toward him and try to punch him out cold and take the gun from his hands before he shoots me, even though he hasn't up to this point"

#2 - "i totally got busted by these guys for looking for crap to steal or at the very least, doing crap i'm not supposed to on other people's property. If i let them identify me or wait for the police, i may go to jail, because of my past criminal history. These guys will not catch me. oh crap that dude has a gun, i'm going to have to try to take it to have a chance to escape"

#3 - "These guys are KKK members and are going to string me up because i am in their neighborhood, if i don't try to beat the crap out of them and get that gun, i am definitely going to die"

I just don't see #3 as being plausible
 
#1,189
#1,189
Septic said:
Lulz.

I'm sure his race has nothing to do with him getting shot or them not getting picked up, purely a coincidence.
Click to expand...

Not everything in life is viewed in this prism. Step out of the media narrative for a second...do i believe that these guys would've chased a white guy suspected of prowling around houses in their neighborhood and stealing? yes i do
 
#1,190
#1,190
The father and son clearly set the stage for a possible/probable confrontation. I would think that will weigh a lot as this moves forward. Arbery’s actions could likely be the deciding factor between manslaughter or murder 2. That’s the only thing I think there is to decide in all of this. I went back and watched that video again. It just looks bad from everything leading up to this situation to outcome. I think those two are going down.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 82_VOL_83
#1,191
#1,191
Bigun said:
I agree, but do you agree all of the below can be true?

1) Don't go around prowling and trying to steal things? (reports that Arbery was doing that, not confirmed though but doesn't seem likely he was out for a jog)
2) Don't grab your guns and block the road, even after the 911 lady says not to
3) Don't confront the guy with a gun and end up having to shoot him and kill him and likely end up in prison for a long long time.
Click to expand...
So is this like a which one doesn't belong with the others question? 1 doesn't belong in the list because it hasn't been proven. 2 and 3 are pretty much established fact. Being Billy Bob Badass got this individual dead. They are directly at fault for the death. They should get what's coming to them. By the way, 1 may be true, I don't know at this time but it didn't condone 2 and 3 even if known to be true.
 
#1,192
#1,192
vols40 said:
Don't attack a person holding a gun
Click to expand...

They assaulted him by threatening physical violence with a firearm.

When he went to protect himself, he was shot in the back.

Was it smart of him to attack the man with the gun. Nope.

But it's still murder.
 
#1,193
#1,193
Rickyvol77 said:
Not everything in life is viewed in this prism. Step out of the media narrative for a second...do i believe that these guys would've chased a white guy suspected of prowling around houses in their neighborhood and stealing? yes i do
Click to expand...

I'm sure you do.
 
#1,194
#1,194
Septic said:
They assaulted him by threatening physical violence with a firearm.

When he went to protect himself, he was shot in the back.

Was it smart of him to attack the man with the gun. Nope.

This is murder.
Click to expand...

- Possessing a firearm isn't physical violence in this incident unless you are pointing at someone
- He wasn't shot in the back
- It's not murder and NO ONE will be charged for murder
 
#1,196
#1,196
Rickyvol77 said:
No they all can be idiots, i'm not ignoring the idiocy of the other two, but i only believe the physical altercation led to the actual shooting. I see no evidence that the two guys would've shot this guy in any other scenario.

It comes down to there is only these possible scenarios in the suspect's mind:

#1 - "I wandered down here in a neighborhood that's not my own while jogging and these white dudes are chasing me in a truck and yelled something at me and told me to stop and something about the police, i am totally scared of said white dudes and i just saw one has a shotgun in his hand standing in the road. I need to run 30-40 ft toward him and try to punch him out cold and take the gun from his hands before he shoots me, even though he hasn't up to this point"

#2 - "i totally got busted by these guys for looking for crap to steal or at the very least, doing crap i'm not supposed to on other people's property. If i let them identify me or wait for the police, i may go to jail, because of my past criminal history. These guys will not catch me. oh crap that dude has a gun, i'm going to have to try to take it to have a chance to escape"

#3 - "These guys are KKK members and are going to string me up because i am in their neighborhood, if i don't try to beat the crap out of them and get that gun, i am definitely going to die"

I just don't see #3 as being plausible
Click to expand...
Do you agree if the son had gotten out of the truck without his shotgun and said, hey we need to talk, the man wouldn't have been shot?

Do you agree that if they hadn't blocked the road, had remained in the truck, and had simply followed him, the man would not have been shot?

Do you agree if the men had left it to the police, the man would not have been shot, at least not by them?

If you can agree all of these things are true, and all of these things happened before the physical confrontation, then how can you in all seriousness say this only happened because the runner attacked? It seems you don't believe the father and son should carry any responsibility for their actions.
 
#1,197
#1,197
82_VOL_83 said:
So is this like a which one doesn't belong with the others question? 1 doesn't belong in the list because it hasn't been proven. 2 and 3 are pretty much established fact. Being Billy Bob Badass got this individual dead. They are directly at fault for the death. They should get what's coming to them. By the way, 1 may be true, I don't know at this time but it didn't condone 2 and 3 even if known to be true.
Click to expand...
Yes, I agree with that. But as with #2 and #3, if any of the 3 points listed above do not happen then Arbery is alive today. Ultimately the guy who shot him, who you racistly refer to as BillyBob, is the one going to jail and is at fault but when you delve in these types of situations then usually bad things happen. All of this is based on unconfirmed reports he was prowling and guilty of b/e.

Again, he didn't deserve to get killed, just pointing out all of those points are true.
 
#1,198
#1,198
Septic said:
I'm sure you do.
Click to expand...
What other evidence do you have that states otherwise?

The neighborhood discussion was around a black male suspect because it was a black male on the security cameras both times.

If it had been a white male, they would've stopped any white males who didn't live in the neighborhood and was prowling through properties..

Again, not everything is about race.
 
#1,199
#1,199
Rickyvol77 said:
- Possessing a firearm isn't physical violence in this incident unless you are pointing at someone
- He wasn't shot in the back
- It's not murder and NO ONE will be charged for murder
Click to expand...
You are wrong on -1 and -3. -2 means nothing here.
 
#1,200
#1,200
Rickyvol77 said:
No they all can be idiots, i'm not ignoring the idiocy of the other two, but i only believe the physical altercation led to the actual shooting. I see no evidence that the two guys would've shot this guy in any other scenario.

It comes down to there is only these possible scenarios in the suspect's mind:

#1 - "I wandered down here in a neighborhood that's not my own while jogging and these white dudes are chasing me in a truck and yelled something at me and told me to stop and something about the police, i am totally scared of said white dudes and i just saw one has a shotgun in his hand standing in the road. I need to run 30-40 ft toward him and try to punch him out cold and take the gun from his hands before he shoots me, even though he hasn't up to this point"

#2 - "i totally got busted by these guys for looking for crap to steal or at the very least, doing crap i'm not supposed to on other people's property. If i let them identify me or wait for the police, i may go to jail, because of my past criminal history. These guys will not catch me. oh crap that dude has a gun, i'm going to have to try to take it to have a chance to escape"

#3 - "These guys are KKK members and are going to string me up because i am in their neighborhood, if i don't try to beat the crap out of them and get that gun, i am definitely going to die"

I just don't see #3 as being plausible
Click to expand...
And ftr, I haven't found any of your arguments plausible. I think you're a good dude, but I also think you're talking out of your ass and defending two douche bags that don't deserve to be defended. No offense, but I tend to be blunt and call it like I see it.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 82_VOL_83, Rickyvol77 and Septic
New posts
You must log in or register to reply here.

VN Store



Back
Top