The murder of Ahmaud Arbery

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Rickyvol77 said:
They knew he committed at least one crime because they witnessed it. They didn’t “pick up their guns”. They already carry firearms and the father was a former police officer
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Peeping toms in that neighborhood better look out. You looked through my window! Now you have to die!
 
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bamawriter said:
Doesn't matter why he was there unless they actually witnessed him commit a crime. They haven't claimed that they did.
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I haven’t followed along closely..... I saw a more detailed video and it definitely looked like he was just jogging..... if that is the case then they deserve to spend the rest of their lives in jail.... if he was on private property looking in windows then I am not sympathetic towards him.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
They knew he committed at least one crime because they witnessed it. They didn’t “pick up their guns”. They already carry firearms and the father was a former police officer
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He exited the vehicle with his shotgun. Yeah, he picked up his gun. You don't just carry a shotgun every time you step out of a car. That was a conscious choice.
 
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volbeast33 said:
I haven’t followed along closely..... I saw a more detailed video and it definitely looked like he was just jogging..... if that is the case then they deserve to spend the rest of their lives in jail.... if he was on private property looking in windows then I am not sympathetic towards him.
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They claim he was looking in the window of a house that was under construction.
 
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TrumpedUpVol said:
Just out of curiosity, did the break-ins happen to end after Ahmaud’s untimely death?
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Holds no merit in the case. Even if they did, it wouldn't mean he was the perpetrator. If it were someone else, they could still think, damn, I'm not robbing more houses there. They kill MFers.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Definitely fishy why he was there. Look, I'm not saying the guy is innocent, but no one needed to lose their lives, either. If we would have had calm people that would have been able to de-escalate the situation, everyone would be alive and justice would have been served. But since we have two yahoos with LE experience, then that explains why the situation ended up with shots fired.
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Law enforcement experience or not....my dads neighborhood had several break ins..... this very well could have happened there bc people were definitely starting to protect theirselves and their property. I had the law called on me twice when they saw my car at my parents house.
 
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Matt2496 said:
Deflection from the point I'm trying to make.

This kind of behavior from anyone is stupid and not normal. Sorry, picking up your guns going to try and track down criminals is mentally deranged behavior. And furthermore, tracking down someone who you only "think" is a criminal adds a whole other level of mental derangement and stupidity to this circumstance.

Police should be the ones tracking criminals with guns drawn if it comes down to that.
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@DEFENDTHISHOUSE & @midnight orange
This is a very interesting situation. I'm not sure if I totally agree with the highlighted. I think citizens do play a role in policing their neighborhoods, also. However, what I do believe is that these two guys bungled this and went about a citizens arrest in the wrong manner...

What is you opinion on the highlighted statement?
 
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He was definitely trying to avoid them. He went around the right side of the truck to avoid the guy who was on foot on the left side of the truck. Then the guy on foot went to meet him on the right side of the truck. I don't think you need to have proof they were pointing guns at him to believe he felt threatened.
 
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Weezer said:
Holds no merit in the case. Even if they did, it wouldn't mean he was the perpetrator. If it were someone else, they could still think, damn, I'm not robbing more houses there. They kill MFers.
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Oh, I agree wholeheartedly and there's no debate there. Nonetheless, I'm intrigued as to whether or not the McMichaels were correct or if this guy was truly just an innocent jogger.
 
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n_huffhines said:
He was definitely trying to avoid them. He went around the right side of the truck to avoid the guy who was on foot on the left side of the truck. Then the guy on foot went to meet him on the right side of the truck. I don't think you need to have proof they were pointing guns at him to believe he felt threatened.
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What is not clear is why he swerves quickly to the left at the end. Had the son gone over to the right side of the truck?
 
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Seems obvious to me that's murder. If you shoot someone, it should be you that has to prove it wasn't murder, and the standard of proof should be high and credible. Like there's real evidence a violent crime or credible threat was present. And this isn't it. They chased him, and killed him.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
They wouldn’t get in trouble if they chased a burglar off their property and he turned around and attacked them
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You said the key phrase... turned around.

In this particular case, the two yahoos were in front of him.

Also, I'm not so sure even if you did chase someone off of your property and they shot back if you wouldn't still get in trouble. The prosecutor could argue that the thief was running and no longer becoming a threat, yet you followed in an attempt to engage them.
 
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McDad said:
I've looked into windows of new construction because I was curious about the layout.

I could've been harrassed and shot. Who knew?
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With all of those indecent exposure convictions on your record, you better watch out. Ricky will chase after you and shoot you.
 
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evillawyer said:
What is not clear is why he swerves quickly to the left at the end. Had the son gone over to the right side of the truck?
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Yes. That's how I see it. He's all the way over here on what appears to be the tail end of the truck:

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and then the runner chooses the right side and the first time the frame catches the guy again, he's right here on the front end of the truck, after he's been pushed back a little bit:

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Based on the shadow of the tree, I'm almost positive he went from the back of the truck to the front.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
You said the key phrase... turned around.

In this particular case, the two yahoos were in front of him.

Also, I'm not so sure even if you did chase someone off of your property and they shot back if you wouldn't still get in trouble. The prosecutor could argue that the thief was running and no longer becoming a threat, yet you followed in an attempt to engage them.
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I think the standard for self defense is imminent danger. Someone running away is not presenting an imminent danger.
 
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What if the jogger had just stopped and talked to them? Not excusing the guy for his actions. Hard to really tell what happened in the video. I wouldn't chase them down myself and probably wasn't wise to do so but if you do you definitely should be armed. Would it have turned out differently if the guy stopped and had a discussion. No way to really know.
 
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I will say this. Not that it's relevant, but the "out for a jog" story is likely BS. As he's falling to the ground after being shot, you can see a belt swaying around. I'm a runner. I don't think I've ever seen someone go out running with a belt flapping around.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
What if the jogger had just stopped and talked to them? Not excusing the guy for his actions. Hard to really tell what happened in the video. I wouldn't chase them down myself and probably wasn't wise to do so but if you do you definitely should be armed. Would it have turned out differently if the guy stopped and had a discussion. No way to really know.
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I hope it would have. Never had the need to arm up to go after someone so I cant really speak to what the mindset is.
 
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