The murder of Ahmaud Arbery

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Caculator said:
You have to have intent to murder. Everybody involved in this incident committed dumbassery.
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I think one of the murder charges (second or third) does not require intent to kill but merely intent to harm someone. I am not sure if the lesser charges of murder carry more severe punishments than does manslaughter.

Two people in this incident were dumbasses who played Barney Fife and f'ed up.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
I wasn’t talking about your post. Quit being defensive. And I wasn’t defending them. Try again
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I didn't mean to be defensive I just thought it was funny that your boys probably talk like that and you were making fun of me, but whatever.

You're not defending them? Lol, you mean you're not a lawyer too?
 
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This is what I mean:
GreyWolf1129 said:
In Georgia, if a death occurs during the commission of any other felony, it is automatically felony murder.

O.C.G.A. 16-5-1 (2010)
16-5-1. Murder; felony murder

(a) A person commits the offense of murder when he unlawfully and with malice aforethought, either express or implied, causes the death of another human being.

(b) Express malice is that deliberate intention unlawfully to take the life of another human being which is manifested by external circumstances capable of proof. Malice shall be implied where no considerable provocation appears and where all the circumstances of the killing show an abandoned and malignant heart.

(c) A person also commits the offense of murder when, in the commission of a felony, he causes the death of another human being irrespective of malice.

(d) A person convicted of the offense of murder shall be punished by death, by imprisonment for life without parole, or by imprisonment for life.
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This is going to come down to assault with a deadly weapon and manslaughter. The old guy in the back of the truck riding vigilante style will get time for assault with a deadly weapon and something related to aiding his son killing the guy. JMO. I hope the penalties are severe. I have guns for several reasons, I like them, they are fun to shoot, they are fun to collect, they are fun to trade (with the appropriate people), they are for self and home defense, they are for DEFENSE against other powers that my one day try and take our liberties away just as the soft attempt recently with all the covid 19 stuff that the general public just rolled over belly up on. And before you laugh and go all stupid, the NG rolled up on a bar in Texas with guns drawn. All of these "laws" were nothing more than directives passed down from loose guidelines from the feds, turned into more strict guidelines at the governor level and then laws at the local level. None of them legal and none of them could be enforced legally. I do not own guns to run a guy down, jump out of the truck with a shotgun loaded and cocked and make like I am going to detain someone because he fits the description of someone possibly taking things from a house under construction. None of these fall under the purview of the normal citizen, period. If the guy is fleeing a murder where he was seen shooting someone and can be positively identified, different story. I doubt he would be running down the street at a jog if he had done something that severe. This case in my limited point of view is about 2 Billy Bob's, Sr. and Jr., jumping in a truck and thinking they were going to hold someone at gunpoint who they believed COULD be a suspect. I fully believe they go to prison for a long time on something. I think they both should be hung for simply being stupid but that's my opinion. There are a lot of people that should be hung for being stupid that have nothing to do with a gun........take for instance driving on I-24 south of the TN State Line going and coming from Nashville......
 
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37L1 said:
This is what I mean:
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Thanks, I don't think they get felony murder here. There will be enough muddy water about who attacked who causing the death. The facts still exist that two citizens in a vehicle attempted to stop him with guns drawn which is at a minimum aggravated felony assault because you don't draw a gun unless there is a premeditated you may have to use it. This isn't self defense as no deadly attempt on the guys life could be construed from an unarmed my attacking you. I just don't see this as going well for the Billy Bobs but it isn't going to go the way the black community in Savannah wants it to go either.
 
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37L1 said:
This is what I mean:
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C is the only section that matters for this trial.

If the jury believes that their detainment was an aggravated assault and not an attempted detention for police, they will be found guilty.
If the jury believes that they had a right to try to detain/identify him with all the evidence at hand, they will be found not guilty.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
C is the only section that matters for this trial.

If the jury believes that their detainment was an aggravated assault and not an attempted detention for police, they will be found guilty.
If the jury believes that they had a right to try to detain/identify him with all the evidence at hand, they will be found not guilty.
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That section matters for the prosecution to charge/arrest.

All sorts of things usually happen before cases go to trial.
 
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TrumpedUpVol said:
It is the most milquetoast approach to urban exploration imaginable, and I too am surprised by its prevalence. You learn something new every day, I suppose.
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I’d say it occurs more often in a new neighborhood where a good bit of construction is going on....and by the residents of that particular neighborhood.... and by people that are in the market for a new home. I don’t think it’s like the yard sale crowd that goes out every Saturday morning looking for a house to walk through.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Do you walk in your neighbor’s house or shed when he’s not home? Same principle. How about respect others’ privacy and property. These laws exist for a reason
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I don’t even walk across other people’s yards as a shortcut to get somewhere unless I know them well and have asked them beforehand, but when new houses were popping up in my neighborhood It wasn’t out of the ordinary walk through a couple when my wife and I would be out for a stroll.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Also please answer me this. If your family was building a shed and someone got into it and stole some tools in it one night and you got it on camera, and the two days later a guy shows up in your yard and and looks in your windows and tries to open your back door ( he doesn’t even go in your house). Would you think that is ok?
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This is a totally separate argument you’re making versus someone stopping and looking at house under construction..... not a remodel .... not a shed behind someone’s home...... we’re talking about new construction that’s not even a residence yet.
 
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Carl Pickens said:
I’d say it occurs more often in a new neighborhood where a good bit of construction is going on....and by the residents of that particular neighborhood.... and by people that are in the market for a new home. I don’t think it’s like the yard sale crowd that goes out every Saturday morning looking for a house to walk through.
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Yeah, my kid needed a piece of drywall yesterday.....happened to be a drywall store going in right across the street......he did take a scrap piece from the garage though.

Edit: additionally, when we built our house in OH, we walked through a TON of them being built and stole ideas from about 5 houses. When folks would come over they would ask "how did you get that done?" We would point to the house that we walked through and got the idea. I have walked through new units being built in my neighborhood never thinking that someone would block me from getting home with a shotgun.
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
Yeah, my kid needed a piece of drywall yesterday.....happened to be a drywall store going in right across the street......he did take a scrap piece from the garage though.
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There’s never anything of any real value left in these homes. Construction scrap that’s either going in the dumpster or in a fire pile is typically all that’s inside
 
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Carl Pickens said:
I don’t even walk across other people’s yards as a shortcut to get somewhere unless I know them well and have asked them beforehand, but when new houses were popping up in my neighborhood It wasn’t out of the ordinary walk through a couple when my wife and I would be out for a stroll.
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This wasn't a new house, this was a house getting an addition
 
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Carl Pickens said:
I don’t even walk across other people’s yards as a shortcut to get somewhere unless I know them well and have asked them beforehand, but when new houses were popping up in my neighborhood It wasn’t out of the ordinary walk through a couple when my wife and I would be out for a stroll.
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Walking through someone else's yard without actually going to see them is creepy even when you know them.....period.
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
Walking through someone else's yard without actually going to see them is creepy even when you know them.....period.
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I asked a guy in the neighborhood if he minded if I walked through his yard to get to the Corp property behind his house to take my girls fishing. He laughed as if I’d asked a dumb question and said we were welcome anytime.
 
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