The murder of Ahmaud Arbery

[Behr]

Perhaps you should read post # 2119 before you accuse me.

Sorry, didn't mean for it to come across as an accusation. I hit reply before I finished my comment so I was rushing to fix it.

Does his history matter? If he had 1 shoplifting conviction or 5?

 

[Vol8188]

He may have been a sweet young man, but I haven't bought the "avid jogger" story since seeing the initial video.



I don't have any idea if he was looking to steal. He was looking around an unfinished house for less than five minutes and didn't steal a thing. I see no reason that one should try to impugn his motives unless one is seeking to justify the McMichaels' actions.

Further, he was never confronted before taking off from the site. So no, we cannot all agree with your clearly false description of events.

You’re assuming there were things worth stealing and he just didn’t take them. Surveillance idk if it was video or images? But it has shown him there on multiple occasions at night. I can’t find a plausible explanation other than theft to be in an empty home at night (unless you’re squaring, but obviously he didn’t sleep there).

Why do you believe he took off running out of the front door? Seems to me he did so because of the guy across the street on his phone calling 911.

 

[bamawriter]

He 100% wasn’t just a jogger who was racially profiled by mean white guys like we were first told.

Correct. He was a young black man that was in the neighborhood and looked like someone who might have been spotted on a security camera a number of days prior to the incident. The construction site has no bearing on the McMichaels' decisions because they did not know that he'd been there.

 

[1972 Grad]

He may have been a sweet young man, but I haven't bought the "avid jogger" story since seeing the initial video.



I don't have any idea if he was looking to steal. He was looking around an unfinished house for less than five minutes and didn't steal a thing. I see no reason that one should try to impugn his motives unless one is seeking to justify the McMichaels' actions.

Further, he was never confronted before taking off from the site. So no, we cannot all agree with your clearly false description of events.

He may not have stolen anything because there was nothing to steal. He may have been looking for tools, etc. and found nothing. I am unwilling to believe the jogger narrative at this point. And, I'm not justifying killing anyone. I think the killing was an unfortunate turn of events for everyone involved.

 

[Vol8188]

Sorry, didn't mean for it to cone across as an accusation. I hit reply before I finished my comment so I was rushing to fix it.

Does his history matter? If he had 1 shoplifting conviction or 5?

Given a history of theft and him being seen in this home multiple times at night, yes it does matter. It points to the idea that his motivation was theft.

 

[1972 Grad]

I can still see a legit case for manslaughter. But the more I look at the details, idk if I could find them guilty. He 100% wasn’t just a jogger who was racially profiled by mean white guys like we were first told.

I agree.

 

[Vol8188]

Correct. He was a young black man that was in the neighborhood and looked like someone who might have been spotted on a security camera a number of days prior to the incident. The construction site has no bearing on the McMichaels' decisions because they did not know that he'd been there.

He was the person spotted on security cameras. He didn’t just look like him. They did not know he’d been where? Inside the home? If not, why do you believe they went after him?

 

[1972 Grad]

Sorry, didn't mean for it to come across as an accusation. I hit reply before I finished my comment so I was rushing to fix it.

Does his history matter? If he had 1 shoplifting conviction or 5?

If the family and media are trying to make him into another "Gentle Giant" Michael Brown or sweet 12 year old Trayvon Martin, it does to me because I don't like liars. As far as killing the guy, it makes no difference.

 

[Vol8188]

It seems like if you just wait 24 hours for the facts, all left wing media narratives fall apart. Like the woman who killed her husband with fish tank cleaner.

It reminds me of the article that came out around 2010 (Rolling Stone I believe) about how the military’s main goal with information was timelessness over accuracy because like all people, the citizens of Afghanistan were most likely to believe the first story they heard.

 

[GAVol]

You really believe the “he was just a jogger” narrative? Have you seen the videos of him in the house? Or the fact that he was 10 miles from home

Hell no I don't believe he was just some random innocent guy. He clearly had a past and may have been up to no good. The thing is, unless he was directly threatening the McMichaels, I don't see how his past matters. You can't just threaten somebody with a gun who isn't posing an imminent threat to your life.

 

[bamawriter]

You’re assuming there were things worth stealing and he just didn’t take them.

Between you and me, you're the only one making assumptions. I'm not assuming a thing. He may have had bad motives. I don't know because there is no way anyone could possibly know. What I do know is that he didn't actually steal anything.

Surveillance idk if it was video or images? But it has shown him there on multiple occasions at night. I can’t find a plausible explanation other than theft to be in an empty home at night (unless you’re squaring, but obviously he didn’t sleep there).

The only video from the site that any of us have seen is from a few minutes before the shooting. If Arbery had been on the site before that day, the homeowner has not come out and said as much. And he's made public statements thru his attorney.

Why do you believe he took off running out of the front door? Seems to me he did so because of the guy across the street on his phone calling 911.

One again, you're assuming motivation that cannot be known. The neighbor across the street was quite a distance away, and Arbery was inside he structure when the call began. How can anyone possibly know if Arbery heard a thing?

 

[Vol8188]

If the family and media are trying to make him into another "Gentle Giant" Michael Brown or sweet 12 year old Trayvon Martin, it does to me because I don't like liars. As far as killing the guy, it makes no difference.

Agreed. That’s why we keep seeing a 26 year old depicted in his high school senior photo. Similar to Trayvon Martin

 

[vollygirl]

You really believe the “he was just a jogger” narrative? Have you seen the videos of him in the house? Or the fact that he was 10 miles from home

I don't know what kind of person he is.

But he stands in front of the house for a good minute, then when it shows him inside he is just standing there. He doesn't look like is trying to hide or not be seen or anything. He's comes out of the house and goes back to the street and starts to run.

I don't know how you use that video to make sure people don't think he was angel.

 

[Behr]

Given a history of theft and him being seen in this home multiple times at night, yes it does matter. It points to the idea that his motivation was theft.

So if he had 5 convictions of shoplifting in the past and we have a video of him inside the unfinished house but leaving with nothing, its okay for these two guys that know nothing about any of that, to chase him down and kill him?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

I can still see a legit case for manslaughter. But the more I look at the details, idk if I could find them guilty. He 100% wasn’t just a jogger who was racially profiled by mean white guys like we were first told.

They're guilty of manslaughter at the very least all day/every day. Felony murder at the most.

 

[Vol8188]

Between you and me, you're the only one making assumptions. I'm not assuming a thing. He may have had bad motives. I don't know because there is no way anyone could possibly know. What I do know is that he didn't actually steal anything.



The only video from the site that any of us have seen is from a few minutes before the shooting. If Arbery had been on the site before that day, the homeowner has not come out and said as much. And he's made public statements thru his attorney.

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Why do you believe he took off running out of the front door? Seems to me he did so because of the guy across the street on his phone calling 911.

One again, you're assuming motivation that cannot be known. The neighbor across the street was quite a distance away, and Arbery was inside he structure when the call began. How can anyone possibly know if Arbery heard a thing?[/QUOTE]

I’ll see if I can find the images from inside the home and at night. If another poster sees this and can beat me to it, please do.

 

[bamawriter]

He was the person spotted on security cameras. He didn’t just look like him. They did not know he’d been where? Inside the home? If not, why do you believe they went after him?

You seem to believe that the unfinished house belonged to the McMichaels and/or that they had access to the security cameras. Neither is true, and they've never claimed that they knew a thing about him being in that house.

 

[Vol8188]

So if he had 5 convictions of shoplifting in the past and we have a video of him inside the unfinished house but leaving with nothing, its okay for these two guys that know nothing about any of that, to chase him down and kill him?

honestly, I go back and forth on that. There intent wasn’t to kill him and he does seem to initiate the physical altercation.

You can pretend these details don’t matter, but when ultimately they do. If he had been an innocent jogger, we would all be for conviction. I do support there being a trial so more info can come to light. Right now, idk if I’d be willing to convict them if I were on that jury.

 

[Vol8188]

You seem to believe that the unfinished house belonged to the McMichaels and/or that they had access to the security cameras. Neither is true, and they've never claimed that they knew a thing about him being in that house.

The home belonged to the man with them who was filming. Out of curiosity why did you believe they were chasing if they were unaware?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Given a history of theft and him being seen in this home multiple times at night, yes it does matter. It points to the idea that his motivation was theft.

That may be the case. I don't think it will hold much relevance in the grand scheme of things because as @bamawriter had said, the McMichaels apparently were unaware of the construction site incident.

 

[Vol8188]

Their guilty of manslaughter at the very least all day/every day. Felony murder at the most.

Idk, if I have a gun, you attack me and try to take my gun, I use the gun to defend myself. I’m having a hard time seeing that as something I could convict. I get they probably shouldn’t have chased him. I just don’t know if chasing a man who’s been trespassing multiple times is something I’m willing to convict someone of.

 

[bamawriter]

The home belonged to the man with them who was filming.

Incorrect.

Out of curiosity why did you believe they were chasing if they were unaware?

According to their statements, he looked like a guy who had been seen on their cameras on their property on a totally different date.

 

[Behr]

If the family and media are trying to make him into another "Gentle Giant" Michael Brown or sweet 12 year old Trayvon Martin, it does to me because I don't like liars. As far as killing the guy, it makes no difference.

See, I don't care if he was jogging or casing the place out to rob. Neither one of those matter from where I sit. If he had been arrested and we were talking about his punishment then it might matter. But its already been decided. They thought he might have been planning to steal something, so they killed him.

He won't look like he's gonna attempt to steal anything again. Fosho.

 

[Vol8188]

That may be the case. I don't think it will hold much relevance in the grand scheme of things because as @bamawriter had said, the McMichaels apparently were unaware of the construction site incident.

Why do you believe they were chasing him

 

[1972 Grad]

So if he had 5 convictions of shoplifting in the past and we have a video of him inside the unfinished house but leaving with nothing, its okay for these two guys that know nothing about any of that, to chase him down and kill him?

I don't think anybody has said that anybody deserved to die for 5 shoplifting convictions or being in a house.