The NCAA is a shameful organization.

[volfanbill]

The NCAA is a voluntary association. If PS doesn't want to accept the penalty they can join the NAIA.

However, I do have one beef with Emmert's statement:

"Football will never again be placed ahead of educating, nurturing and protecting young people," NCAA President Mark Emmert declared in announcing the penalties."

Based on graduation rates on copious other evidence, PS has never put football ahead of educating young people, nurturing and and proctecting, yes, but not educating.

but you can bet the farm Emmert puts football above academics every day. It's his gold mine.

 

[Redstater]

but you can bet the farm Emmert puts football above academics every day. It's his gold mine.

Oh no! Are you suggesting there's hypocrisy at the NCAA? Next you'll be questioning Joe Biden's intelligence.

 

[PowerSweep]

Does it have to be written that raping children in an NCAA locker room is illegal in the NCAA? I hate the NCAA as much as you do because they're most of the time hypocritical idiots, but they're right on this one.



Child rape violates both of those. Penn State obviously ignored having an ethics program concurrent to the educational goal of the school. Penn State ignored their responsibilities for hiding this gross misconduct.

Of course not...it has to be written that moral failures that have nothing to do with athletic competition are subject to sanctions. This belongs in civil and criminal court...

A former Committee on Infractions chairman and current Division I Appeals Committee member told ESPN.com's Andy Katz on Sunday the NCAA's penalizing of an institution and program for immoral and criminal behavior also breaks new ground.

The former chair, who has been involved with the NCAA for nearly three decades, said he couldn't use his name on the record because the case could come before him and the committee he still serves on in an appeals process.

"This is unique and this kind of power has never been tested or tried," the former chair said. "It's unprecedented to have this extensive power. This has nothing to do with the purpose of the infractions process. Nevertheless, somehow (the NCAA president and executive board) have taken it on themselves to be a commissioner and to penalize a school for improper conduct."

The chair said that the NCAA was dealing with a case that is outside the traditional rules or violations. He said this case does not fall within the basic fundamental purpose of NCAA regulations.

 

[Burger]

Of course not...it has to be written that moral failures that have nothing to do with athletic competition are subject to sanctions. This belongs in civil and criminal court...

A former Committee on Infractions chairman and current Division I Appeals Committee member told ESPN.com's Andy Katz on Sunday the NCAA's penalizing of an institution and program for immoral and criminal behavior also breaks new ground.

The former chair, who has been involved with the NCAA for nearly three decades, said he couldn't use his name on the record because the case could come before him and the committee he still serves on in an appeals process.

"This is unique and this kind of power has never been tested or tried," the former chair said. "It's unprecedented to have this extensive power. This has nothing to do with the purpose of the infractions process. Nevertheless, somehow (the NCAA president and executive board) have taken it on themselves to be a commissioner and to penalize a school for improper conduct."

The chair said that the NCAA was dealing with a case that is outside the traditional rules or violations. He said this case does not fall within the basic fundamental purpose of NCAA regulations.

I quoted the exact Bylaw that the NCAA could punish on. If Sandusky was a retired old coot who was raping boys not in the PSU locker room, then this would not have anything to do with the NCAA. Since this did happen in PSU's weight room, sauna, locker room, Sandusky's on campus office, or any other football facility, and the athletic department did know about it, doing nothing of course. The fact that the athletic department joined the club voluntarily, and they were directly involved with hiding Sandusky's act. The involvement of the AD is the only reason the NCAA has jurisdiction at all.
I obviously gave up on the LOIC claim, because I was proven wrong.

 

[allvol123]

Stewart Mandel, along with many other writers, accurately slammed Emmert and the rest of these idiots.

 

[PowerSweep]

I quoted the exact Bylaw that the NCAA could punish on. If Sandusky was a retired old coot who was raping boys not in the PSU locker room, then this would not have anything to do with the NCAA. Since this did happen in PSU's weight room, sauna, locker room, Sandusky's on campus office, or any other football facility, and the athletic department did know about it, doing nothing of course. The fact that the athletic department joined the club voluntarily, and they were directly involved with hiding Sandusky's act. The involvement of the AD is the only reason the NCAA has jurisdiction at all.
I obviously gave up on the LOIC claim, because I was proven wrong.

This is long but worth the read:

Michael L. Buckner Law Firm Response to NCAA Penalties in Penn State Case
Posted by Michael L. Buckner, Esquire ⋅ July 23, 2012 ⋅


The NCAA’s actions, no matter how noble and justified to address the egregious behavior in the Penn State case, have charted an unprecedented course of action and created a “slippery slope” for future incidents. This statement will provide three areas of concern.

First, the NCAA cited its Executive Committee had the authority to act “on behalf of the entire Association and implements policies to resolve core issues, pursuant to its authority under the NCAA constitution and Bylaw 4.1.2(e)”. This constitutional provision states “the Executive Committee shall. . . Act on behalf of the Association by adopting and implementing policies to resolve core issues and other Association-wide matters”. However, Proposal 2007-12, which amended Constitution 4.1.2-(e) by adding the phrase “adopting and implementing policies” noted “the Executive Committee has authority to act by adopting and implementing policies. … Neither does the amendment expand the Executive Committee’s authority or power.” However, the Michael L. Buckner Law Firm’s review of the Executive Committee’s motion did not adopt and implement a policy to resolve core issues, but directed NCAA president Mark Emmert to address one specific incident (i.e., “to enter into a consent decree” with Penn State that “contains sanctions and corrective measures”). If the Executive Committee properly exercised its authority under Constitution 4.1.2-(e), then a more comprehensive objective policy affecting Penn State and other future instances involving major felonies at other NCAA member institutions would have been developed and passed by the body.

Second, the Executive Committee’s action failed to establish an objective standard to determine when the NCAA president can circumvent the established enforcement process. In the past 20 years, employees and student-athletes have engaged in, been convicted of, or charged with serious criminal misconduct. However, the NCAA did not intercede in such matters and, in some instances, deferred to the expert judgments of judicial proceedings and government investigations. After today’s decision, the NCAA membership does not know what behavior or conduct will trigger the newly-awarded discretionary authority of the NCAA president to issue punitive sanctions.

Third, the conduct of Penn State and its employees, no matter how egregious, is not a violation of an existing NCAA rule. The NCAA has never interpreted, or issued sanctions under, the rules it cited to address only criminal violations (or the cover-up of criminal violations). In fact, until today, the activities described in the report by former FBI director Louis J. Freeh are not addressed in the NCAA Division I Manual.

As legal counsel for colleges and universities before NCAA committees, we are extremely concerned about the process the NCAA utilized to issue its sanctions. We urge the NCAA to comply with its existing processes and procedures in future scandals involving alleged criminal misconduct. For example, after a review of the Freeh report in the Penn State sexual-abuse case, we conclude the issues the institution would be best left in the expert hands of the criminal and civil courts, the federal Departments of Justice and Education, the Pennsylvania General Assembly and the relevant accrediting agencies.

 

[Burger]

This is getting to be too much gray area for me to even try to debate. Emmert is an idiot and should be reamed every chance he gets for messing up his rules. I see a nasty law suit coming now.

All he had to do is issue a new policy about how athletic department wide negligence is punished.

 

[PowerSweep]

This is getting to be too much gray area for me to even try to debate. Emmert is an idiot and should be reamed every chance he gets for messing up his rules. I see a nasty law suit coming now.

All he had to do is issue a new policy about how athletic department wide negligence is punished.

you know I think that train has done left the station as they say w psu accepting it...they gave up a lot from a position of relative strength re threat of lawsuit for nothing really in return.

 

[CountVolcula]

These last few posts is why a child molestor got protected for over 14 years

Damn morals, ethics, or right

We must play football

Fricking pathetic

 

[allvol123]

These last few posts is why a child molestor got protected for over 14 years

Damn morals, ethics, or right

We must play football

Fricking pathetic

Wrong. Kids got molested because people failed to act on basic human instincts. People are making this way too complex. This continues to happen everyday.

 

[BeecherVol]

These last few posts is why a child molestor got protected for over 14 years

Damn morals, ethics, or right

We must play football

Fricking pathetic

+1

In the name of protecting a football program, its legendary coach, the $ both brought to the school and the university.

 

[PowerSweep]

These last few posts is why a child molestor got protected for over 14 years

Damn morals, ethics, or right

We must play football

Fricking pathetic

that literally makes no sense whatsoever...like a crazy haiku or something. You get more than 17 syllables to make a point, whatever it is..

 

[g8terh8ter_eric]

These last few posts is why a child molestor got protected for over 14 years

Damn morals, ethics, or right

We must play football

Fricking pathetic

Yet, the NCAA just basically gave them sanctions and made it all about morals, and no bylaws they actually broke, and the NCAA bent those bylaws to include criminal activity now. As far as football goes, some of our fans were ready for the NCAA punish them for them covering up what happened, then post about taking their players for our own good. That's pretty messed up thinking honestly.

 

[milohimself]

These last few posts is why a child molestor got protected for over 14 years

Damn morals, ethics, or right

We must play football

Fricking pathetic

I get what youre saying but the ncaa is now being massively hypocritical here. If todays actions are the standard, then countless other institutions like baylor got off easy.

This can't be interpreted any other way than the ncaa breaking it's own rules in order to grandstand and/or bend to public pressure.

 

[VolBeef88]

In member organizations there are bylaws and constitutions. Clearly raping little boys falls under the ethical part of the constitution.
But some of you fail to see this.
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[VolBeef88]

What's funny is how many bash Bilas on this site for bwing an idiot. But he says something y'all agree with so now you love him.
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[milohimself]

In member organizations there are bylaws and constitutions. Clearly raping little boys falls under the ethical part of the constitution.
But some of you fail to see this.
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I don't think the Baylor comparison can be brought up enough. There was a cover-up for a murder, is that qualitiatively worse than child rape? They didn't get hit for that, I realize different people were in charge, but if sanctions don't go up like twofold heading into the future here, then the NCAA will be massively hypocritical.

 

[g8terh8ter_eric]

I get what youre saying but the ncaa is now being massively hypocritical here. If todays actions are the standard, then countless other institutions like baylor got off easy.

This can't be interpreted any other way than the ncaa breaking it's own rules in order to grandstand and/or bend to public pressure.

Exactly. PSU was tried, convicted, and sentenced in the courtroom of public opinion, and the NCAA rules on that public pressure. There isn't a single fan, football player, coach on the current staff, faculty member, student, or parent of current student there, that deserved to watch as the NCAA singlehandedly destroyed a school, for something that wasn't even football related.

 

[VolBeef88]

I don't think the Baylor comparison can be brought up enough. There was a cover-up for a murder, is that qualitiatively worse than child rape? They didn't get hit for that, I realize different people were in charge, but if sanctions don't go up like twofold heading into the future here, then the NCAA will be massively hypocritical.

I'm not going to argue that the NCAA is hypocritical. But to argue that to not do the right thing now is justified in order to not look hypocritical is wrong minded.
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[g8terh8ter_eric]

I'm not going to argue that the NCAA is hypocritical. But to argue that to not do the right thing now is justified in order to not look hypocritical is wrong minded.
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The right thing is to let the courts decide this, and let PSU move on to try and repair its image, because of the decisions of a few. Punishing, by and large, everyone involved with PSU, is dumb, period.

 

[bleedorange0037]

I'm not going to argue that the NCAA is hypocritical. But to argue that to not do the right thing now is justified in order to not look hypocritical is wrong minded.
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How is handing down a punishment to Penn State that basically qualifies their infractions as being "not quite as bad as what SMU did in the 80's" doing the right thing? I personally think they should have kept their nose out of this, but for them to decide to get involved and then not hand out their most historically harsh punishment for what his CLEARLY the most historically heinous crime they've ever sanctioned a school for just makes them look like a joke.

 

[allvol123]

How is handing down a punishment to Penn State that basically qualifies their infractions as being "not quite as bad as what SMU did in the 80's" doing the right thing? I personally think they should have kept their nose out of this, but for them to decide to get involved and then not hand out their most historically harsh punishment for what his CLEARLY the most historically heinous crime they've ever sanctioned a school for just makes them look like a joke.

This.

 

[PowerSweep]

In member organizations there are bylaws and constitutions. Clearly raping little boys falls under the ethical part of the constitution.
But some of you fail to see this.
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what is that ethical part that prescribes punishments that may be meted out?

 

[GmanTN]

The players can still get a free education, can still become nfl draft picks, I really don't see any real punishment for current players. The real hurt is financially to the university and even that is not going to break them, it has been said their pockets are deep.

 

[milohimself]

I'm not going to argue that the NCAA is hypocritical. But to argue that to not do the right thing now is justified in order to not look hypocritical is wrong minded.
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It's not the right thing, the right thing is punishing people who are complicit in child rape.

The NCAA is not taking actions against wrong-doers here. What the NCAA is doing is giving itself authority it shouldn't be anywhere within lightyears of having so it can grandstand and try to take the place of the federal government, local authorities, the Clery act to satisfy PR and nothing else.

This whole exercise was a pointless, aimless, mean-spirited, bull**** exercise by Emmert and his feeble-minded idiot cohorts that has zero to do with any semblance of the meaning of justice.

The lives of Spanier, Schultz. et. al will be the same when they wake up tomorrow as it was when they woke up yesterday.

The lives of Penn State football players, students, alumni, local business owners and the community will be demonstrably worse when they wake up tomorrow than when they woke up yesterday.

Can you explain to me how justice has been served?