The Numbers Thread

#576
#576
LebanonVolunteer said:
Maybe. Maybe not.

Lee bailed because of the depth chart and others recruited for his position. Brown was grade concerns. I think Lauderdale may have been missing the SEC math class, Powell was always a risks to stay instate, Booth had his EE spot given to Malone, Mouhon took a visit after committing, Lambert did flip to AU but grades were at least in question. Just some that I can remember. With likely only 2 spots left, I guess I just don't see where we lose anyone with who the staff likely takes in those 2 spots. The 22 current commits look to be happy as Vols. Unless grade issues come up during their SR year, I think most if not all stick.

IMO those hoping a couple/few 3*'s get dropped to make room for more *'s may be disappointed this year. I get the feeling this class is about a wrap.
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We're still recruiting a ton of guys left right now Lex. This class will change a lot. Assuming, Tuttle and Richmond and Van Jefferson are already VOLS.

That leaves

Justin Miller
Micah Abernathy
Hunter Dale is a S who is visiting

We need another LB

Quarte Sapp
Montavious Atkinson

We're still recruiting Dline

Kyle Phllips
Darrell Taylor - visiting UT
Deandre Walker
Ricky Deberry

We're still recruiting 1 more playmaker

Ryan Newsome
Bryce Love
Torrance Gibson
 
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#577
#577
JAllen18 said:
We're still recruiting a ton of guys left right now Lex. This class will change a lot. Assuming, Tuttle and Richmond and Van Jefferson are already VOLS.

That leaves

Justin Miller
Micah Abernathy
Hunter Dale is a S who is visiting

We need another LB

Quarte Sapp
Montavious Atkinson

We're still recruiting Dline

Kyle Phllips
Darrell Taylor - visiting UT
Deandre Walker
Ricky Deberry

We're still recruiting 1 more playmaker

Ryan Newsome
Bryce Love
Torrance Gibson
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I agree they are "still recruiting" and should in case something were to happen. It's JMO that "still recruiting" and actually taking are very different.
 
#578
#578
LebanonVolunteer said:
I agree they are "still recruiting" and should in case something were to happen. It's JMO that "still recruiting" and actually taking are very different.
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Check this out, these are the total recruits Saban has taken per year since he has been at Bama.

Per 247:
2007 - 31
2008 - 34
2009 - 28
2010 - 29
2011 - 26
2012 - 27
2013 - 26
2014 - 26

If Butch knows what he is doing in recruiting, which I believe he has proven that he does, there is no way we only take 24 guys. I would put the over/under at 26, and bet the over.
 
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#579
JDisThereThere said:
Check this out, these are the total recruits Saban has taken per year since he has been at Bama.

Per 247:
2007 - 31
2008 - 34
2009 - 28
2010 - 29
2011 - 26
2012 - 27
2013 - 26
2014 - 26

If Butch knows what he is doing in recruiting, which I believe he has proven that he does, there is no way we only take 24 guys. I would put the over/under at 26, and bet the over.
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So you feel CBJ will take a 3-6 or more scholarship penalty for over signing? For some reason I doubt it.
 
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#582
#582
Catbone said:
How does Bama do it without getting a penalty?
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I've never really followed bama/sabans recruiting and how many they could take in a class. Of course saban has been known for dropping kids left and right, forcing kids to go on medical scholarship around NSD, and other tactics. I'd imagine that plays into it at times for them. Just about every service has discussed there being a hard cap this year for UT and that it was 24. Obviously that means if they signed 25, 26, or more there would be problems to follow. Unless I am missing something.
 
#585
#585
JDisThereThere said:
The number of guys you sign does not equate to the exact number of guys you have on scholarship. I mean explain those numbers for Bama for me.
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As I said, I have never really followed bama's recruiting. How many are on scholarship, who keeps their scholarships and who is dropped, I have no idea. I did find this a while back that speaks a little to what they do numbers wise.

Alabama « Oversigning.com
 
#587
#587
LebanonVolunteer said:
I believe they got 24 last year. At least 2 did not qualify.
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Elisha Shaw was a medical I remember..Scarborough failed the coloring book thing...that's two right there...they had 25 the previous class... Nicky can usually count on one of his excess RBs to expose themself or steal some Hostess Snoballs and open up a spot. :happy:
 
#590
#590
Vol8188 said:
But the same sec rule of 25 per class should still apply. That's the problem I see.
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IMO 25 limit should be it. No back counting, no sneaky tactics. If you lose kids to medical, transfer, grades, or whatever, that's your problem. Maybe you should be more selective when taking kids. If you are up against the 85 and can only take 14 in a year, it is what it is. You have a lot of SRs coming up and should consider yourself lucky. Probably never happen, but I'd like to see it. Put a little more value on the recruits taken and it would mean a little more to take quality kids.

Bama's #'s are not at all the norm even in the SEC. AU, UGA, UF, LSU, and just about everyone in the SEC other than Bama has taken less than 25 many times. Sometimes closer to 20 than 25.
 
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#591
#591
I just hope we tell some people to look around to make room for some of the players that have us in their final schools. It's alittle cold hearted, but better to tell someone to look at other schools now than in 2 years when they've been recruited over. Once they start paying players I think more and more rules will change to make college football like the D-league or Minor leagues.
 
#592
#592
barrythesnout said:
Numbers don't affect our #1 remaining target. Soooooo... yeah.
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Yeah, our #1's like Gibson are guys that numbers do not affect. :p

I do seriously doubt the #'s would affect Richmond at all. I'd guess the staff fully intends to take him. With only 22 commitments and plans to take up to 24, I think he's alright.
 
#593
#593
LebanonVolunteer said:
Yeah, our #1's like Gibson are guys that numbers do not affect. :p

I do seriously doubt the #'s would affect Richmond at all. I'd guess the staff fully intends to take him. With only 22 commitments and space for 24, I think he's alright.
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When the **** have I ever brought up Gibson? Nice try. Richmond is the #1 remaining target. theres a spot for him no matter what, unless he chooses to play elsewhere. You've been wrong more often than not, even though we happen to agree on this issue.

Edit: and that is the last and ONLY post I'll ever make on a numbers issue.
 
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#597
#597
According to Evan Woodberry's spreadsheet tracking the scholarship roster, we only have 81 scholarship players right now. Of those, 13 are Seniors. 81 - 13 = 68.

This leaves us with 17 openings before attrition. There are obvious ways we can avoid going over 25 on NSD and 85 scholarship players, so there are really no roster squeezes at this juncture. Attrition must be assumed and factored into the equation.

We all thought it would be difficult to get to 85 after last Fall when the signee totals started climbing into the 30s, but here we sit at 81.

So, no worries.

We should not, under any circumstances, tell any of these OL or DL commits to look elsewhere. It is crucial that we build depth at those positions. However, I do not expect this staff to make the same mistakes as Dooley's, so that depth will be in place for 2015.

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#598
#598
Rifleman said:
According to Evan Woodberry's spreadsheet tracking the scholarship roster, we only have 81 scholarship players right now. Of those, 13 are Seniors. 81 - 13 = 68.

This leaves us with 17 openings before attrition. There are obvious ways we can avoid going over 25 on NSD and 85 scholarship players, so there are really no roster squeezes at this juncture. Attrition must be assumed and factored into the equation.

We all thought it would be difficult to get to 85 after last Fall when the signee totals started climbing into the 30s, but here we sit at 81.

So, no worries.

We should not, under any circumstances, tell any of these OL or DL commits to look elsewhere. It is crucial that we build depth at those positions. However, I do not expect this staff to make the same mistakes as Dooley's, so that depth will be in place for 2015.

Vols Scholarship Players
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Correct me if I am wrong but I thought the only ways around the 25 limit are back counting, gray shirting, and (the buzzword of last year) blue shirting.

I didn't think UT could back count any since they signed a full 25 last cycle. I don't see anyone that UT is in on that would meet the blue-shirt requirements. So that really only leaves gray-shirt by my understanding. And as was shown by Dews, gray-shirting is a gamble for both sides.

Am I missing any other obvious ways to get under 25?
 
#599
#599
zansdad said:
Correct me if I am wrong but I thought the only ways around the 25 limit are back counting, gray shirting, and (the buzzword of last year) blue shirting.

I didn't think UT could back count any since they signed a full 25 last cycle. I don't see anyone that UT is in on that would meet the blue-shirt requirements. So that really only leaves gray-shirt by my understanding. And as was shown by Dews, gray-shirting is a gamble for both sides.

Am I missing any other obvious ways to get under 25?
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I'd say blue-shirting is less likely, sure, but it is not off the table. By definition, it only applies to recruits that won't be on our radar as they can't have any recruiting contact with the staff.

Grayshirting could be on the table for 1 or 2. We will also likely have some attrition from our commit list before NSD, either prompted by the recruit or the staff.

So we will certainly have 4-8 signees not currently committed to Tennessee, maybe more depending on attrition. It is a looong way to February and a lot could shift depending on what happens on the field over the next few months.

Still, I am not anxious about whatever happens as we are lucky to have arguably the best recruiting staff in the nation now.
 
#600
#600
Rifleman said:
I'd say blue-shirting is less likely, sure, but it is not off the table. By definition, it only applies to recruits that won't be on our radar as they can't have any recruiting contact with the staff.

Grayshirting could be on the table for 1 or 2. We will also likely have some attrition from our commit list before NSD, either prompted by the recruit or the staff.

So we will certainly have 4-8 signees not currently committed to Tennessee, maybe more depending on attrition. It is a looong way to February and a lot could shift depending on what happens on the field over the next few months.

Still, I am not anxious about whatever happens as we are lucky to have arguably the best recruiting staff in the nation now.
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Nothing you said explains how UT is "obviously" going to get around the 25 limit. They can't back count. I'll believe UT blue-shirts a guy when I see it. And I don't think 4-star and high 3-star guys are going to gray-shirts. Attrition from the current roster applies only to the 85 limit not the 25. Guys currently committed not actually signing isn't getting around the 25 limit. It's simply replacing one recruit with a different recruit. You seemed to imply the UT will sign more than 25 and I'm just curios how that happens in your mind. Or maybe I misunderstood you when you said there where obvious ways to get above 25 in this class.
 
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