The Numbers Thread

#751
#751
OddFuture said:
Ralph David will be on football scholarship.

And to answer your question, no. That whole flipping of scholarships to academic or other sports was a big thing decades ago but has since been made where it's much much harder to do (I think that a player would have to start out on academic scholarship or another scholarship and then walkon while continuing excellence in academics/another sport). Even then if the player excels at football coaches will give him a deserved scholarship in most cases.

Think it's called the Bear Bryant rule if I'm not mistaken..
Click to expand...

Abernathy might have been a package deal with his brother, but I'm skeptical about taking a scholarship next year that would've otherwise been given to a freshmen at a position in more greater need than RB.

I'm not saying a player like Dobbs wouldn't be deserved of a football scholarship. The flexibility that a walkon academic scholarship recipient would provide be a huge benefit.
 
#752
#752
JamesBenUT said:
Abernathy might have been a package deal with his brother, but I'm skeptical about taking a scholarship next year that would've otherwise been given to a freshmen at a position in more greater need than RB.

I'm not saying a player like Dobbs wouldn't be deserved of a football scholarship. The flexibility that a walkon academic scholarship recipient would provide be a huge benefit.
Click to expand...

I think it just means the staff will have to drop another current player from the roster to make room for RDAIV. Looks like they plan to take a full class, so any sort of transfer just adds another to the list of 8-12 current VFL's who will be dropped/processed.

80 currently on scholarship. 11 SRs leaving the program has the roster at 69. RDAIV coming in makes 70. 26 current commitments means 96 possibly on scholarship. Something drastic has to happen to get back to 85 and avoid penalties.
 
#753
#753
LebanonVolunteer said:
I think it just means the staff will have to drop another current player from the roster to make room for RDAIV. Looks like they plan to take a full class, so any sort of transfer just adds another to the list of 8-12 current VFL's who will be dropped/processed.

80 currently on scholarship. 11 SRs leaving the program has the roster at 69. RDAIV coming in makes 70. 26 current commitments means 96 possibly on scholarship. Something drastic has to happen to get back to 85 and avoid penalties.
Click to expand...

Qb, wr, RB, db, lb, and DL are all positions that could see transfers. I think we will be fine.
 
#754
#754
Vol8188 said:
Qb, wr, RB, db, lb, and DL are all positions that could see transfers. I think we will be fine.
Click to expand...

but, but, we should keep those players. as long as they're not getting in trouble they should have a place on this team. even though they will never sniff playing time.
:)
 
Last edited:
#755
#755
loggervol said:
but, but, we should keep those players. as long as they're not getting in trouble they should have a place on this team. even though they will never sniff playing time.
Click to expand...

A lot of players that don't make major impacts as TFR or SO can and do turn into great players as they get more work and time in the program. Lots of fans on this very board was ready to drop Josh Smith after his TFR year. Now he is one of the better WR options we have when healthy. Having JRs and SRs on your team is not a bad thing. Ole Miss and MSU are good programs to look to. Not a lot of *'s JR and SR wise, yet those older guys contribute to stability and building a quality winner. Anytime you are losing double digit kids off your roster year after year, it can't be viewed as a good thing. New coaching staff or not.
 
#756
#756
LebanonVolunteer said:
A lot of players that don't make major impacts as TFR or SO can and do turn into great players as they get more work and time in the program. Lots of fans on this very board was ready to drop Josh Smith after his TFR year. Now he is one of the better WR options we have when healthy. Having JRs and SRs on your team is not a bad thing. Ole Miss and MSU are good programs to look to. Not a lot of *'s JR and SR wise, yet those older guys contribute to stability and building a quality winner. Anytime you are losing double digit kids off your roster year after year, it can't be viewed as a good thing. New coaching staff or not.
Click to expand...

I don't know of anybody with a little sense, that was wanting josh smith gone. we have people that overreact.

having jrs or snrs is a good thing. but, if they are just taking up room on the bench or a special teams player that's not getting meaningful snaps in a game, they should look elsewhere for playing time.

the way BJ is recruiting, we will make up that double digit loss.
 
#757
#757
loggervol said:
I don't know of anybody with a little sense, that was wanting josh smith gone. we have people that overreact.

having jrs or snrs is a good thing. but, if they are just taking up room on the bench or a special teams player that's not getting meaningful snaps in a game, they should look elsewhere for playing time.

the way BJ is recruiting, we will make up that double digit loss.
Click to expand...

A lot of FR, SO, and RSJRs are taking up spots on a lot of benches around the country. Building a championship caliber team requires guys getting time to develop. At some point the concept of dropping anyone who is not starting has to stop or you will just continue being very young and losing a lot of games. It does not matter how CBJ is recruiting as the same fans calling for guys on the bench to be dropped to make room for unknowns today, will be saying the same things a year or 2 from now with the guys CBJ is taking right now. To clear 8-12 spots to sign this class, CBJ will be cutting loose kids that he has signed. IMO I'd take my chances with developing some of these guys that other fans want to use to "make some room".

JMO
 
#758
#758
LebanonVolunteer said:
A lot of FR, SO, and RSJRs are taking up spots on a lot of benches around the country. Building a championship caliber team requires guys getting time to develop. At some point the concept of dropping anyone who is not starting has to stop or you will just continue being very young and losing a lot of games. It does not matter how CBJ is recruiting as the same fans calling for guys on the bench to be dropped to make room for unknowns today, will be saying the same things a year or 2 from now with the guys CBJ is taking right now. To clear 8-12 spots to sign this class, CBJ will be cutting loose kids that he has signed. IMO I'd take my chances with developing some of these guys that other fans want to use to "make some room".

JMO
Click to expand...

I think guys have been given every opportunity to get playing time and to step up their play. the reason I know this, we have some players still on the field that would not be out there if we had a better option or, if they hadn't picked up their own play.

I would absolutely take a chance on an unknown if what you see every day is inferior to what you could bring in....
 
  • Like
Reactions: 2 people
#759
#759
LebanonVolunteer said:
A lot of players that don't make major impacts as TFR or SO can and do turn into great players as they get more work and time in the program. Lots of fans on this very board was ready to drop Josh Smith after his TFR year. Now he is one of the better WR options we have when healthy. Having JRs and SRs on your team is not a bad thing. Ole Miss and MSU are good programs to look to. Not a lot of *'s JR and SR wise, yet those older guys contribute to stability and building a quality winner. Anytime you are losing double digit kids off your roster year after year, it can't be viewed as a good thing. New coaching staff or not.
Click to expand...

Agreed. Moderate to heavy roster turnover is understandable and somewhat expected during the first couple seasons with a new staff. Things should really settle down after this season IMO. If not, we definitely have some other concerns...
 
#760
#760
LebanonVolunteer said:
I think it just means the staff will have to drop another current player from the roster to make room for RDAIV. Looks like they plan to take a full class, so any sort of transfer just adds another to the list of 8-12 current VFL's who will be dropped/processed.

80 currently on scholarship. 11 SRs leaving the program has the roster at 69. RDAIV coming in makes 70. 26 current commitments means 96 possibly on scholarship. Something drastic has to happen to get back to 85 and avoid penalties.
Click to expand...

25hhabl.jpg
 
  • Like
Reactions: 2 people
#762
#762
QB-Austin Kendall
RB-BJ Emmons
RB/Slot-Dorian Banks(TN)
WR-Austin Mack
WR-Mecole Hardman
WR-AJ Morris(TN)
TE-Darel Middleton(TN)
TE-Gabe Angel(TN)
OL-Ryan Johnson(TN)
OL-Bryce Mathews(TN)
OL-Taleni Suhren
OL-Jay-Jay McCargo
DT-Michael Perry(TN)
DT-Jeremy Darvin(TN)
DT-Shug Frazier
DE-Tariqious Tisdale(TN)
DE-Malik Walker
LB-Daniel Bituli(TN)
LB-Emanual Bridges
LB-Austin Parker(TN)
CB-MarQuill Osborne
CB-Bailey Phillips
CB-Nygel Edmonds(TN)
S-Nigel Warrior(TN)
S-Donte Vaughn(TN)

As of now there would be 16 scholarship SRs headed into the 2015 season. Long way to go to even get to 25, but here would be a TN instate heavy UT 2016 class.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#763
#763
Drae Bowles is graduating in Dec and transferring for his last two years. He's already worked it out with CBJ. SIAP.
 
#764
#764
Geraldo Orta also opens up a spot. He was honored on senior night so it looks like he is done too.
 
#766
#766
80 on the roster. 11 SRs leaving would make the #69. Take 2 away for Bowles and Orta and you are at 67. Add 1 for RDAIV and that makes it 68.

Add in the commitments(26) thus far and you have up to 94 on scholarship with only 85 allowed. Still have to come up with at least 9 more spots before Aug 2015 and that is if they sign 26.

Will be interesting.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#767
#767
The WR position appears to have a few more spots. It's honestly not that hard to find 9 non contributors.
 
#768
#768
If we sign another large class this year by trimming a few players from our roster, which I feel some of these will be Junior scholarship athletes. What is this going to do to our 2016 class? It appears that this will be a very small class, as there are only a few Juniors on the roster.
 
#769
#769
volunteer2 said:
If we sign another large class this year by trimming a few players from our roster, which I feel some of these will be Junior scholarship athletes. What is this going to do to our 2016 class? It appears that this will be a very small class, as there are only a few Juniors on the roster.
Click to expand...

It was posted in another thread, but theres a stat showing 20-30% SEC commits never make it past 2 years.
 
#770
#770
LebanonVolunteer said:
QB-Austin Kendall
RB-BJ Emmons
RB/Slot-Dorian Banks(TN)
WR-Austin Mack
WR-Mecole Hardman
WR-AJ Morris(TN)
TE-Darel Middleton(TN)
TE-Gabe Angel(TN)
OL-Ryan Johnson(TN)
OL-Bryce Mathews(TN)
OL-Taleni Suhren
OL-Jay-Jay McCargo
DT-Michael Perry(TN)
DT-Jeremy Darvin(TN)
DT-Shug Frazier
DE-Tariqious Tisdale(TN)
DE-Malik Walker
LB-Daniel Bituli(TN)
LB-Emanual Bridges
LB-Austin Parker(TN)
CB-MarQuill Osborne
CB-Bailey Phillips
CB-Nygel Edmonds(TN)
S-Nigel Warrior(TN)
S-Donte Vaughn(TN)

As of now there would be 16 scholarship SRs headed into the 2015 season. Long way to go to even get to 25, but here would be a TN instate heavy UT 2016 class.
Click to expand...
Nigel Warrior is from the Atlanta area.

Good list though
 
#772
#772
LebanonVolunteer said:
80 on the roster. 11 SRs leaving would make the #69. Take 2 away for Bowles and Orta and you are at 67. Add 1 for RDAIV and that makes it 68.

Add in the commitments(26) thus far and you have up to 94 on scholarship with only 85 allowed. Still have to come up with at least 9 more spots before Aug 2015 and that is if they sign 26.

Will be interesting.
Click to expand...

I have 80 with 13 seniors leaving. If as we discussed Carter has reverted back to WO status, that makes 79 with 12 seniors. Still need plenty of spots to open up, but it looks more like 6 or 7.
 
#773
#773
MyBloodRunnethOrange said:
I have 80 with 13 seniors leaving. If as we discussed Carter has reverted back to WO status, that makes 79 with 12 seniors. Still need plenty of spots to open up, but it looks more like 6 or 7.
Click to expand...

Yeah I actually tally 79 scholarship players w/ 14 set to graduate (including Carter and Orta)....others being Coleman, Jones, Williams, Darr, Johnson, Pair, Gilliam, Worley, Lane, Young, Down, and Quinn. That puts you at 65. There are 3 more players not currently around the program that could very easily not be on the roster coming out of this season, that puts you at 62 and all of a sudden you are very close to making numbers work.

I am also counting Swafford and Jo. Johnson as scholarship players. I'm not sure how fluid their scholly situations are being a former walk-on and JUCO transfer respectively, but if the staff has flexibility here going into next year they are that much closer to making it work.

It will all pan out :hi:
 
New posts
You must log in or register to reply here.

VN Store



Back
Top