The Numbers Thread

#776
#776
LebanonVolunteer said:
80 on the roster. 11 SRs leaving would make the #69. Take 2 away for Bowles and Orta and you are at 67. Add 1 for RDAIV and that makes it 68.

Add in the commitments(26) thus far and you have up to 94 on scholarship with only 85 allowed. Still have to come up with at least 9 more spots before Aug 2015 and that is if they sign 26.

Will be interesting.
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Hey, LV Hubbs just commented on numbers.

Here is his take.

I think the more realistic number is 28.
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My new mock with 28.

QB: Dormady (4), Jennings (4)
RB: Kamara (4), Love (4)
WR: Williams (5), Bruce (3), Perry (3), Newsome (4)
OL: Stewart (4), Jones (4), Boulware(4), Hall(3), Allen (4)
DE: Butcher(4), Taylor(4), Ford(3), Phillips (4)
DT: Mckenzie (5), Tuttle (5), Picou (4)
LB: Smith (3), Kirkland Jr (4)
CB: Abernathy (4), Martin (4), Amadi (4)
S: Griffin (3)
P: Townsend (3)
LS: Lovingood (2)

That's 28

3 - 5*'s
17 - 4*'s
7 - 3*'s
1 - 2*'s
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Top 3 class and very possible.
 
#777
#777
my favorite number is 3
my football jersey number was 58
number of women I've had...lost count(not really)
1 is the loneliest number
the Thompson Twins had a number 3 hit with "Hold Me Now"
the number 9 is the number 6 upside down
number comes from the latin "numbra" which means to eat lettuce on the toilet

this is the numbers thread right?
 
#779
#779
Ericvol2096 said:
Hey, LV Hubbs just commented on numbers.

Here is his take.



My new mock with 28.

QB: Dormady (4), Jennings (4)
RB: Kamara (4), Love (4)
WR: Williams (5), Bruce (3), Perry (3), Newsome (4)
OL: Stewart (4), Jones (4), Boulware(4), Hall(3), Allen (4)
DE: Butcher(4), Taylor(4), Ford(3), Phillips (4)
DT: Mckenzie (5), Tuttle (5), Picou (4)
LB: Smith (3), Kirkland Jr (4)
CB: Abernathy (4), Martin (4), Amadi (4)
S: Griffin (3)
P: Townsend (3)
LS: Lovingood (2)

That's 28

3 - 5*'s
17 - 4*'s
7 - 3*'s
1 - 2*'s
:rock::dance2:
Top 3 class and very possible.
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Looks good if they can take that many. I'd think Allen would be the hardest pull at this point IMO.
 
#780
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LebanonVolunteer said:
Looks good if they can take that many. I'd think Allen would be the hardest pull at this point IMO.
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Paul actually commented on my Mock on VQ.

He said Newsome was a longshot.

Then on Allen, Phillips, Martin and Amadi he gave round about answers that said we are certainly in good position for all of them but none are done deals.

Basically said Kirkland's a done deal.

He mentioned Sapp as someone I need to pay attention to still.

He also said he see's CB Miller as a part of the class in the end and to not write off Jackson yet.

Interesting stuff.
 
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#781
#781
From all the talk on here and a look at the current roster, I currently think we have 63 players that are solid and that we will carry over to next year. Again I am guessing a little bit on who is a WO or not? That leads to 22 commits that we can take for next year.

Our numbers can go up if the following scenarios occur.

I would think that T Saulsbury will be asked to graduate by next May. He is often injured. Don't shoot the messenger but Mack Crowder also falls in this category. The guy is as smart as a whip and could also graduate in May. Not saying that he will but anything is possible. Is he good enough to go Pro?

So that is two more possibilities, which leads to 24 commits.

I think the following players are being recruited over, and may look elsewhere. I know they are probably VFL, but it is what it is.

L Johnson, J King, R Jones. That could possibly give us up to 27 commits.

Two more comments: Will M. Sawyers return. That could push it up to 28 commits.

And finally, I think there is still some wiggle room for Bruce, Lovingood and Towson. (Gray shirt or BS). I think we will have an awesome recruiting class this year
 
#782
#782
valoisvol said:
From all the talk on here and a look at the current roster, I currently think we have 63 players that are solid and that we will carry over to next year. Again I am guessing a little bit on who is a WO or not? That leads to 22 commits that we can take for next year.

Our numbers can go up if the following scenarios occur.

I would think that T Saulsbury will be asked to graduate by next May. He is often injured. Don't shoot the messenger but Mack Crowder also falls in this category. The guy is as smart as a whip and could also graduate in May. Not saying that he will but anything is possible. Is he good enough to go Pro?

So that is two more possibilities, which leads to 24 commits.

I think the following players are being recruited over, and may look elsewhere. I know they are probably VFL, but it is what it is.

L Johnson, J King, R Jones. That could possibly give us up to 27 commits.

Two more comments: Will M. Sawyers return. That could push it up to 28 commits.

And finally, I think there is still some wiggle room for Bruce, Lovingood and Towson. (Gray shirt or BS). I think we will have an awesome recruiting class this year
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Good Post. Well thought out.

I would almost guarantee Rihyad Jones not being back. He was a Sr this year but couldn't play do to injury.
 
#783
#783
With the UAB situation offering possible depth to the roster, it's perhaps time to relook at the numbers. Looking at VALOISVOL's analysis, there appears to some room for considering additional players. I'm interested to hear what VN thinks.
 
#785
#785
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#787
#787
Talk has been 28, though that's just a guess IMO. UT was already in a position IF they took 28 where they were going to need to process at least 7-8-9 kids from the current roster to even sign the talked about 28. Maybe they decide to add 3-4 more to it with the kids who have decided to transfer recently. Seems like an awful lot of turnover to me for just 1 year. JMO
 
#788
#788
LebanonVolunteer said:
Talk has been 28, though that's just a guess IMO. UT was already in a position IF they took 28 where they were going to need to process at least 7-8-9 kids from the current roster to even sign the talked about 28. Maybe they decide to add 3-4 more to it with the kids who have decided to transfer recently. Seems like an awful lot of turnover to me for just 1 year. JMO
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What do you expect when we sign 32 kids?
 
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#789
#789
vosams said:
What do you expect when we sign 32 kids?
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What do I expect? Transfers.

They sign another 28-30 this year and this time next year we will see more of the same IMO. Looks like UT will have a revolving door on the front of it for a while. Just have to see how long the "we are young" excuse is acceptable.
 
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#790
#790
Someone who understands this better than I do, I thought 25 was limit not counting EE (which has it's own limit in itself). Does each player that leaves add to amount school can sign on top of 25?
 
#791
#791
volnpowell said:
Someone who understands this better than I do, I thought 25 was limit not counting EE (which has it's own limit in itself). Does each player that leaves add to amount school can sign on top of 25?
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No, there are several factors to it. Some can be back counted, some just count toward the 85. They are dropping so fast off the UT roster it's to a point I'm honestly not sure which is which. Do the loss of Helm, Hendrix, Henderson, and Scott mean those are now back count spots? Or is it they are just one more off the 85? It's uncommon to lose so many kids who have not even been on campus a year. Maybe someone with more knowledge of how these guys are viewed count wise can chime in.
 
#793
#793
valoisvol said:
From all the talk on here and a look at the current roster, I currently think we have 63 players that are solid and that we will carry over to next year. Again I am guessing a little bit on who is a WO or not? That leads to 22 commits that we can take for next year.

Our numbers can go up if the following scenarios occur.

I would think that T Saulsbury will be asked to graduate by next May. He is often injured. Don't shoot the messenger but Mack Crowder also falls in this category. The guy is as smart as a whip and could also graduate in May. Not saying that he will but anything is possible. Is he good enough to go Pro?

So that is two more possibilities, which leads to 24 commits.

I think the following players are being recruited over, and may look elsewhere. I know they are probably VFL, but it is what it is.

L Johnson, J King, R Jones. That could possibly give us up to 27 commits.

Two more comments: Will M. Sawyers return. That could push it up to 28 commits.

And finally, I think there is still some wiggle room for Bruce, Lovingood and Towson. (Gray shirt or BS). I think we will have an awesome recruiting class this year
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Thought I saw Mack Crowder in the graduation pics this weekend. He is a redshirt junior so very possible he already graduated. May be enrolling into grad school
 
#794
#794
#795
#795
LebanonVolunteer said:
Talk has been 28, though that's just a guess IMO. UT was already in a position IF they took 28 where they were going to need to process at least 7-8-9 kids from the current roster to even sign the talked about 28. Maybe they decide to add 3-4 more to it with the kids who have decided to transfer recently. Seems like an awful lot of turnover to me for just 1 year. JMO
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I doubt very strongly that Derrel Scott, Dwayne Hendrix and Daniel Helm were among the 7-9 players this coaching staff intended to graduate / transfer / drop before next season. Hopefully these three recent departures allow at least one or two guys to stay who would've left otherwise, but the cynic in me says that these transfers will only increase the incoming class size.
 
#796
#796
AboveAllNations said:
I doubt very strongly that Derrel Scott, Dwayne Hendrix and Daniel Helm were among the 7-9 players this coaching staff intended to graduate / transfer / drop before next season. Hopefully these three recent departures allow at least one or two guys to stay who would've left otherwise, but the cynic in me says that these transfers will only increase the incoming class size.
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Once the bowl game is over, that is when things will get real active. The EE's will already be moving in, so those you can put down as secured.

If we are going to have more defections in the class, I would think we will be hearing about them whenever the dead period ends.

I have heard 28 bantered about a the final number. Don't think back counting is possible, but who knows anymore? However, the main number to remember is 85 on scholarships. If all 25 on the list stay in the fold, and we do take 3 more, I would hope to fill depth needs we get 1 OL, 1 RB, and 1 CB or Safety.
 
#797
#797
The movement of players with guessing on numbers just points to the fact that none of us know, however, the coaches do know. Which is all we need to know.
 
#798
#798
loggervol said:
but, but, we should keep those players. as long as they're not getting in trouble they should have a place on this team. even though they will never sniff playing time.
:)
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I believe this. If a player is working hard in practice and doing well academically, the university should continue to honor his scholarship until he graduates. There's no "free agency" in college football for discarded players and these are still just kids at the end of the day. They deserve to be treated fairly. Involuntary "attrition" undermines the sense of familial VFL loyalty that Coach Jones is trying to instill, and will negatively affect recruiting if it happens too often.
 
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#799
AboveAllNations said:
I believe this. If a player is working hard in practice and doing well academically, the university should continue to honor his scholarship until he graduates. There's no "free agency" in college football for discarded players and these are still just kids at the end of the day. They deserve to be treated fairly. Involuntary "attrition" undermines the sense of familial VFL loyalty that Coach Jones is trying to instill, and will negatively affect recruiting if it happens too often.
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I think the coach should do whatever it takes to win. except cheating... and, being honest with a player, telling him that he will never see the field unless it's on special teams and that if he wants to play, it would be in his best interest to relocate to a school that can give him a degree and playing time. but, that's just me. :good!:
 
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#800
#800
I've updated my scholarship roster after the recent departures. I posted in another thread, but it seems more appropriate here. After the recent departures I have the roster at 61 scholarship players returning for next year. Also the Abernathy kid from Cinci will I presume be on scholarship, and if Paulk returns as some have said it would put us at 63 Here is a breakdown by position.
QB: Dobbs, Peterman
RB: Hurd
WR: Howard, Pearson, Johnson, Blanc, North, Bowles, Croom, Smith, Malone, Wharton, Jenkins
TE: Wolf, Branisel, Creamer
OL: Crowder, Jackson, Blair, Weisman, Kerbyson, Sanders, Raulerson, Robertson, Kendrick, Thomas, Mosley
DE: Maggitt, Vereen, Barnett, Miller, Lewis, Vickers
DT: O Williams, Saulsberry, O'Brien, Mixon, Sawyers
LB: Weathered, JRM, King, Bynum, Bates, Bryant, McDowell, El Berry, J Johnson
CB: Foreman, Sutton, Moesley, Payne, Orta
S: McNeil, Randolph, Kelly, Gaulden, Ev Berry, L Johnson
K: Medley, Bullock
 
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