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But Bill.....aren't the Cubs the absolute BEST people to ask about care of a young fireballing (if a little injury-prone) righthander?

Have fun in Wrigleyville, Rich.
 
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vols kick balls said:
Wait. You are going to tell me that ERA+ doesn't matter because it's not an "official statistic" but you are going to come back with this? There are so many things wrong with that I don't know where to start. That doesn't use ERA, BAA,BABIP, WHIP, Opponents Slugging, Opponents OPS, etc.

But I will play your little game of BS statistics.
1. You do realize that Harden is an extreme flyball pitcher don't you? 41 GO/ 90 AO ratio puts Harden in a huge hole for your BS statistic already. Playing in Chicago will highlight this in the future as some of those deep fly balls will turn into more homeruns.

2. Using that Brandon Webb might be the most dominant pitcher of all time. He has a 198 GO/ 63 AO ratio.

3. Brandon Webb walks less batters than Harden does per 9 innings.

You might be able to twist a BS statistic into saying Harden is better than Webb, it would be damn hard, but (K% + GB%-BB%) isn't going to get it done.
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I really have no clue why you bring Webb into this because it's obvious i'm talking to Bill about Duch. Also i didn't make that dominance factor up, a major league scout did, so it's just as reliable as ERA+.
 
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VOLNBAMA said:
I really have no clue why you bring Webb into this because it's obvious i'm talking to Bill about Duch. Also i didn't make that dominance factor up, a major league scout did, so it's just as reliable as ERA+.
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Brandon Webb came into this as soon as you said Harden was the most dominant pitcher in baseball.

I don't care who made it up. It is a bogus stat. It proves nothing. Even if it wasn't a bogus stat, Harden wouldn't have a good "dominance factor" because of his extreme fly ball tendencies.
 
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vols kick balls said:
Brandon Webb came into this as soon as you said Harden was the most dominant pitcher in baseball.

I don't care who made it up. It is a bogus stat. It proves nothing. Even if it wasn't a bogus stat, Harden wouldn't have a good "dominance factor" because of his extreme fly ball tendencies.
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Anything over 60 is good. Look i don't care what you guys think about, for some reason people get upset if you think different than them. All i think is that Harden can be the most dominant pitcher in baseball when he's healthy, but whatever.
 
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VOLNBAMA said:
Anything over 60 is good. Look i don't care what you guys think about, for some reason people get upset if you think different than them. All i think is that Harden can be the most dominant pitcher in baseball when he's healthy, but whatever.
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I'm not upset, I was just wondering how anyone could think Harden was the most dominant pitcher in baseball. I am done with this now.
 
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Here you go Bill.

Told that Gallagher will start at the Coliseum on Friday, Angels center fielder Torii Hunter said, "As long as it's not Harden, I'm happy. I'm happy I don't have to face him anymore."


Speculation continued that the A's had some concerns about Harden after his velocity dipped his last two starts. In addition, those starts both came on four days' rest, rather than five. On five days' rest, he was 4-0 with a 1.63 ERA in six starts. Oakland does not have many days off in the second half, making a six-man rotation a vague possibility had Harden remained.


Though one of the A's main needs is a young third baseman, Oakland didn't inquire about Josh Vitters, who was the Cubs' top pick last year. Vitters was the No. 3 selection overall and the A's did not believe it would be appropriate to ask for him, knowing he wouldn't be available, anyway.


There is thought among other clubs that the A's might deal Murton or Patterson.
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Looks like what you thought could be correct.


Bottom of this article.
Muscle and might not enough for A's / Blanton can't protect lead in loss to Seattle
 
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I think Beckett is the most overrated pitcher in the majors. His ERA is around 4.00 this year, he had that one great year last year and that's about it.
 
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I will give you that, but he's considered one of the best because he pitches great in October.
 
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VOLNBAMA said:
I will give you that, but he's considered one of the best because he pitches great in October.
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I will take a pretty good regular season and brilliant October pitcher over a bad October and brilliant regular season pitcher anytime.
 
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Beckett is like this, not that he is terrible during the regular season, but it is almost two different pitchers.
 
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Dbake005 said:
Beckett is like this, not that he is terrible during the regular season, but it is almost two different pitchers.
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Two words: sample size. Beckett has pitched 1126 1/3 innings in the regular season, and 72 2/3 innings in the postseason. Which one is the "real" Josh Beckett?

The statheads have spent 20 years desperately trying to come up with a measure to quantify "clutch hitting," at least as a measurable, repeatable skill. They haven't been able to do it. Until they do, I don't believe in clutch pitching either.
 
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And while I'm in this thread, I really need Bill to tell me what the A's are doing with their pitching. Haven't looked at the Blanton deal yet, but what's the deal with Harden? The A's are already giving up?
 
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Vercingetorix said:
And while I'm in this thread, I really need Bill to tell me what the A's are doing with their pitching. Haven't looked at the Blanton deal yet, but what's the deal with Harden? The A's are already giving up?
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Beane knows this team isn't winning the world series. Sneaking into the playoffs isn't Beane's gameplan anymore. He's building while he can. It sucks to suffer through, but if that really is what he's doing, I can live through it. I wouldn't be surprised to see Duke go if his price gets high enough.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
Two words: sample size. Beckett has pitched 1126 1/3 innings in the regular season, and 72 2/3 innings in the postseason. Which one is the "real" Josh Beckett?

The statheads have spent 20 years desperately trying to come up with a measure to quantify "clutch hitting," at least as a measurable, repeatable skill. They haven't been able to do it. Until they do, I don't believe in clutch pitching either.
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Some players just repsond better to pressure than others.
 
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volfanbill said:
Beane knows this team isn't winning the world series. Sneaking into the playoffs isn't Beane's gameplan anymore. He's building while he can. It sucks to suffer through, but if that really is what he's doing, I can live through it. I wouldn't be surprised to see Duke go if his price gets high enough.
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I guess I don't get it. If you're a mid-range payroll team, about all you can hope for is to get into the playoffs and hope that you get lucky. There's always going to be a $150m plus juggernaut in the way, but in a short series anything can happen. Better teams lose to worse teams all the time. (Maybe this is the flip side of the third round of playoffs -- rational teams figure that lightning has to strike three times instead of twice for them to win, which makes them more likely to cash out and play for next year?)

Still seems way too early to ship off Harden, though. Unless you know that he's hurt or juicing or has child pr0n in his locker or something.
 
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