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Not a terrible trade for the A's but not a good one either. Gallagher will put up some good numbers in Oakland. Murton is the typical Beane player, good average, good OBP, good D, solid gap power. Patterson could be decent. Not a big fan of Donaldson.
 
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i would rather keep Ellis than Patterson though. We need a solid utility infielder right now, so maybe it works short term, but I think Donnie Murphy will be that guy in the future and I think we could have survived without Patterson.

Donaldson get on base.. a lot. I like that. Plus I'm not overly impressed with Suzuki. I don't think he's a great defensive catcher, and he has NO power.
 
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volfanbill said:
i would rather keep Ellis than Patterson though. We need a solid utility infielder right now. I think Donnie Murphy will be that guy in the future, so I really don't see the need for Patterson.

Donaldson get on base.. a lot. I like that. Plus I'm not overly impressed with Suzuki. I don't think he's a great defensive catcher, and he has NO power.
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Donaldson has a OBP in the .270's and a slugging in the .340-.350 range (about a .630 OPS) as a 22 year old in Low A ball. He has a below average arm and has a pretty big loop in his swing. I don't like him as a prospect at all.
 
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i don't have a problem with the Cubs losing any of those guys.

if Harden can stay healthy, i like this deal. big IF, i know.
 
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as for Donaldson Single A ball numbers, I didn't realize they were that low, but while I'm not saying i'm optimistic, I also know you can't always truly evaluate a player after one calendar year of playing professionally. Maybe he can develop more as he moves along. His name always pops up as minor leaguers MLB teams are interested in acquiring.
 
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volfanbill said:
as for Donaldson Single A ball numbers, I didn't realize they were that low, but while I'm not saying i'm optimistic, I also know you can't always truly evaluate a player after one calendar year of playing professionally. Maybe he can develop more as he moves along. His name always pops up as minor leaguers MLB teams are interested in acquiring.
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It is way to early to give up on him but it is never a good sign that a high draft pick out of college is struggling mightily in Low A. He has potential if he can hit at all but that's what the one knock on him has always been. People didn't know how his bat would translate at higher levels against more quallity stuff. So far not to well against pretty weak competition.
 
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volfanbill said:
Harden staying healthy is impossible. Not even an if.
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i don't care about anything but from now until the WS. after that, he can blow out his elbow for all i care.

maybe he got his DL stint out of the way early this year.
 
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vols kick balls said:
Not a terrible trade for the A's but not a good one either. Gallagher will put up some good numbers in Oakland. Murton is the typical Beane player, good average, good OBP, good D, solid gap power. Patterson could be decent. Not a big fan of Donaldson.
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Eric is about the same as his brother
 
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like i said before, I'm not overly excited about who the A's picked up, I'm just happy Rich "just killing time before my next major injury" Harden is gone. I think the A's could have done much much better, especially if they let the Yankees or someone else make a last second panic move to secure pitching. I don't expect Harden to finish the season and I don't expect much out of what we got in return for this season either.
 
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volfanbill said:
like i said before, I'm not overly excited about who the A's picked up, I'm just happy Rich "just killing time before my next major injury" Harden is gone. I think the A's could have done much much better, especially if they let the Yankees or someone else make a last second panic move to secure pitching. I don't expect Harden to finish the season and I don't expect much out of what we got in return for this season either.
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Beane probably didn't want to "burn any bridges" by trading damaged goods. He could have traded Harden for a boatload but if Harden gets hurt he gets labeled as a dirty dealer and it would make teams think twice about dealing with him. That could be a huge part of it IMO.
 
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vols kick balls said:
Beane probably didn't want to "burn any bridges" by trading damaged goods. He could have traded Harden for a boatload but if Harden gets hurt he gets labeled as a dirty dealer and it would make teams think twice about dealing with him. That could be a huge part of it IMO.
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Possibly. Anyone dumb enough to trade for someone that injury prone deserves what they get. Why not just give them Crosby as well and pick up two more minor leaguers?
 
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vols kick balls said:
Beane probably didn't want to "burn any bridges" by trading damaged goods. He could have traded Harden for a boatload but if Harden gets hurt he gets labeled as a dirty dealer and it would make teams think twice about dealing with him. That could be a huge part of it IMO.
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That makes no sense at all.
 
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VOLNBAMA said:
how?
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Beane's rep for always getting the better end of the deal already makes him look like a swindler. Why look like even more of a tool by trading away obviously damaged goods for much better goods?

On the other side of the coin though, I wonder how much longer these players will stay in Oaktown? This could be another famous Beane trade just to get the pieces in order to make a much bigger trade before the deadline.
 
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VOLNBAMA said:
That makes no sense at all.
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A team gets a rep as a bad trading partner and the whole league will know about it in no time. Dealing damaged goods is frowned upon unless the receiving team knows what they are getting.

Beane doesn't want to end up like Jim Bowden. Every GM in baseball hesitates with deals from JimBo because he has a rep as a dirty dealer.

Now this deal may not have anything to do with that and it may just be like what Bill said. That makes sense too.
 
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vols kick balls said:
A team gets a rep as a bad trading partner and the whole league will know about it in no time. Dealing damaged goods is frowned upon unless the receiving team knows what they are getting.

Beane doesn't want to end up like Jim Bowden. Every GM in baseball hesitates with deals from JimBo because he has a rep as a dirty dealer.

Now this deal may not have anything to do with that and it may just be like what Bill said. That makes sense too.
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I'm sorry but that would be a sorry ass excuse for messing up a trade. If you're a GM and you're worried about that then shouldn't be working as a GM. Your job is to put out a winning ball club and not worrying about what people think about you. Beane screwed up big time with it, he traded the most dominant pitcher in baseball and Gaudin for Sean Gallagher.
 
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VOLNBAMA said:
I'm sorry but that would be a sorry ass excuse for messing up a trade. If you're a GM and you're worried about that then shouldn't be working as a GM. Your job is to put out a winning ball club and not worrying about what people think about you. Beane screwed up big time with it, he traded the most dominant pitcher in baseball and Gaudin for Sean Gallagher.
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It's not about what people think about you. It's about not f'ing up the future of your organization. Yes, you could have gotten more but not for damaged goods (Which Harden is, its only a matter of time until his arm completely explodes). You deal away known damaged goods acting as if its not and that is a huge no-no amongst GMs. It happens but it usually ends up hurting the club more than it helps. People willl not deal with you in the future.

And I fail to see the value in "the most dominant pitcher in baseball", which has to be a complete joke, when he is never healthy and probably will never have more than a half of a healthy season again in his career.
 
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Harden is the most dominant pitcher in the majors when he's healthy, the fact that he didn't get anything in return except a pitcher who's upside is a #3 tells me he screwed this up. I mean if a GM is stupid enough to trade for a pitcher who's always on the DL, i don't see how you could be labeled as a dirty dealer. This deal will end up being like the A's - Braves trade in which the A's lose big time.
 
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Harden isn't even the most dominant pitcher on the A's staff this year, much less the majors when he's healthy. That statement is more ridiculous than all your crap about Hochevar.

Also, I kind of thought it was obvious Murton would go to AAA. Was I alone in that?
 
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volfanbill said:
Harden isn't even the most dominant pitcher on the A's staff this year, much less the majors when he's healthy. That statement is more ridiculous than all your crap about Hochevar.

Also, I kind of thought it was obvious Murton would go to AAA. Was I alone in that?
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name 1 pitcher that is more dominant than harden when he's healthy.
 
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