The Obama bubble has burst.

[gsvol]

My point was aren't all lawyers scumbags?

No they aren't, there are some very fine people in the legal profession, if you wanted to say all ACLU lawyers are scumbags, I might agree.

When it became apparent he had no exit strategy for Iraq coupled with his weekly change in reasoning as to why we were there. Also, his unwillingness to take advice from those with more experience.

The exit strategy was always the same, leave the field with honor when the job was finished, the job being, to leave a government in place that could meet the needs of the people and defend itself and that nation and maintain a peace within it's own borders.

Who were those with more experience that Bush refused to be advised by???

 

[droski]

When it became apparent he had no exit strategy for Iraq coupled with his weekly change in reasoning as to why we were there. Also, his unwillingness to take advice from those with more experience.

Wow you of all people flaming obama like that. amazing.

 

[rjd970]

It is funny that all the people that pissed and moaned about the Bush bashers over the past 8 years are now doing the same thing to Obama. I think it is fine, people have the right to voice their opinion but it's just funny that no one seems to see how both sides are more alike than different. I'm starting to see the light OE, they're all trash, government is trash.

I also like how when the other side hated on Bush or questioned his actions they were being unpatriotic, and now that the shoe is on the other foot the naysayers are simple "the dedicated opposition", and being american for practicing there right to question Obama.

 

[truefan]

No they aren't, there are some very fine people in the legal profession, if you wanted to say all ACLU lawyers are scumbags, I might agree.



The exit strategy was always the same, leave the field with honor when the job was finished, the job being, to leave a government in place that could meet the needs of the people and defend itself and that nation and maintain a peace within it's own borders.

Who were those with more experience that Bush refused to be advised by???

YOu need to read and research on military strategy and tactics.

Colin Powell, Generals Casey, Zinni, Abistaid, George HW Buch, James Baker and the list goes on. If you didn't already know this then you must not keep up current events on a regular basis and derive the news for yourself. All of these guys told W NOT to go into Iraq UNLESS there was an exit strategy. There was none and if you fail to recognze this fact it only makes you look more ignorant. Certainly any argument you might have for this will be further proof of your unwillingness to see the facts of history.

 

[BigPapaVol]

YOu need to read and research on military strategy and tactics.

Colin Powell, Generals Casey, Zinni, Abistaid, George HW Buch, James Baker and the list goes on. If you didn't already know this then you must not keep up current events on a regular basis and derive the news for yourself. All of these guys told W NOT to go into Iraq UNLESS there was an exit strategy. There was none and if you fail to recognze this fact it only makes you look more ignorant. Certainly any argument you might have for this will be further proof of your unwillingness to see the facts of history.

I would absolutely have ignored Powell, Zinni and laughed James Baker out of the room.

 

[rjd970]

I would absolutely have ignored Powell, Zinni and laughed James Baker out of the room.

So I guess you think W is an idiot for hiring some of these people, and making Powell his SoS?

 

[BigPapaVol]

So I guess you think W is an idiot for hiring some of these people, and making Powell his SoS?

yes. Powell has spent his career as an appeasing fence sitter. It's why he never had a 3 star command and was kept in Washington forever. Decision making isn't his forte.

 

[KB5252]

I also like how when the other side hated on Bush or questioned his actions they were being unpatriotic, and now that the shoe is on the other foot the naysayers are simple "the dedicated opposition", and being american for practicing there right to question Obama.

The people most sane repubs were calling unpatriotic were the ones proclaiming our men and women in uniform were baby killers and mercenaries.

 

[truefan]

I would absolutely have ignored Powell, Zinni and laughed James Baker out of the room.

How many stars did you wind up with?

 

[BigPapaVol]

How many stars did you wind up with?

none. How many did Wes Clark have?

 

[gsvol]

I don't believe a said anything about supporting Ogden, I only said that calling him a porn lawyer is a mischaracterization.

No that isn't what you said, you said it was absolutely not factual.

What do you actually think about Holder and Ogden as AG and asst AG???

Do you think they will pull a Reno and fire all the regional AGs??

YOu need to read and research on military strategy and tactics.

YOU need to stop trying to tell other people what to do.

FYI, I've made a living in the past as a military intelligence analyst with a top secret cryptographic clearance. I've read more on the topic already than you ever will in your whole life unless you perhaps intend to make that your career.

What do you think of Obama's plan to send 30,000 more troops into Afghanistan??

Colin Powell, Generals Casey, Zinni, Abistaid, George HW Buch, James Baker and the list goes on. If you didn't already know this then you must not keep up current events on a regular basis and derive the news for yourself. All of these guys told W NOT to go into Iraq UNLESS there was an exit strategy. There was none and if you fail to recognze this fact it only makes you look more ignorant. Certainly any argument you might have for this will be further proof of your unwillingness to see the facts of history.

It turned out though that Bush was right, he trusted the advice of his generals in the field, wore the enemy down and finally a surge of troops was successful in finishing the job, more and more of the different regions of Iraq are able maintain order with the training wheels off, after the next national election there, they should be well on their way to going it on their own.

From my standpoint it appears that you are the one who is ignorant of history, from recent to ancient.

BTW, while we are on the topic, the behavior of the Democrat Party during this whole episode is reprehensible enough to characterize as sleazy!!

From Jay Rockefeller, head of senate intelligence going to Syria and Saudi Arabia months prior to the war and tipping our hand, to Nancy's trip to Damascus to Murtha back stabbing the Marines at Haditha, who were eventually exonerated BTW, to all the undermining they did throughout the campaign.

That was all cynical political crap to get more votes playing off of anti-war sentiment.

From way back in '98 when the "Iraqi Regime change" act was passed and signed into law by Clinton right up until the day we went into Iraq, democrat leaders were screaming for Hussein's head but the minute we did do it, they turned into total crybabies, Majority leader Reid even claimed we had lost the war at one point, thank God he will never be president.

(If you doubt what I said about the fact that Democrats advocated for the invasion of Iraq, just let me know, I have a whole file from the Congressional record on what democrats said!!)

BTW what do you think of our bombing campaign in Yugoslavia??? General McKenzie said we bombed the wrong side.

 

[lawgator1]

The level of venom out there towards Obama from the conservative commentators is truly becoming disturbing.

No wonder all but three of the Republican Senators have kept the party line this week, even a few who on the front end said they saw things they could support in the stimulus bill. They are afraid of Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, Savage, and Boortz.

 

[hndog609]

The level of venom out there towards Obama from the conservative commentators is truly becoming disturbing.

No wonder all but three of the Republican Senators have kept the party line this week, even a few who on the front end said they saw things they could support in the stimulus bill. They are afraid of Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, Savage, and Boortz.

Mayhap they were also afraid of their constituents? A silly notion I know but I thought I'd at least toss it out there.

 

[droski]

any republican senator voting for that pork bill should immediately get voted out of office.

 

[droski]

the dems pet projects were clearly more important to them than generating actual stimulus. why in the world would any self respecting person vote for that turd of a bill?

 

[OrangeEmpire]

The level of venom out there towards Obama from the conservative commentators is truly becoming disturbing.

No wonder all but three of the Republican Senators have kept the party line this week, even a few who on the front end said they saw things they could support in the stimulus bill. They are afraid of Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, Savage, and Boortz.

You really believe this?

Why?

 

[emainvol]

No that isn't what you said, you said it was absolutely not factual.

That's funny, there isn't a post in here where I said it was "absolutely not factual."

You must be confusing it with me saying I did some fact checking, which I did.

 

[KB5252]

The level of venom out there towards Obama from the conservative commentators is truly becoming disturbing.

No wonder all but three of the Republican Senators have kept the party line this week, even a few who on the front end said they saw things they could support in the stimulus bill. They are afraid of Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, Savage, and Boortz.

Because they see this bill that most Americans are opposed to being crammed down our throats, at the same time saying there is good chance it may not work, but we need to do something soooooo......lets throw billions at stuff that will never stimulate the economy.

 

[droski]

Because they see this bill that most Americans are opposed to being crammed down our throats, at the same time saying there is good chance it may not work, but we need to do something soooooo......lets throw billions at stuff that will never stimulate the economy.

bingo. they claim it's urgent, but the majority of this money wont start doing anything for years.

 

[gsvol]

The level of venom out there towards Obama from the conservative commentators is truly becoming disturbing.

Don't let it get to you, the way I read it, you've been disturbed for quite a while.

No wonder all but three of the Republican Senators have kept the party line this week, even a few who on the front end said they saw things they could support in the stimulus bill. They are afraid of Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, Savage, and Boortz.

Have you thought of tuning in a liberal radio station program instead????

That's funny, there isn't a post in here where I said it was "absolutely not factual."

You must be confusing it with me saying I did some fact checking, which I did.

I'm so impressed with your lightening quick four seconds of work. Ogden still has represented the porn industry and opposed porn filters in public libraries.

Have you ever thought one with a little semantic pop gun shouldn't be challenging a loaded cannon???

bingo. they claim it's urgent, but the majority of this money wont start doing anything for years.

I'll drink to that!

 

[lawgator1]

Because they see this bill that most Americans are opposed to being crammed down our throats, at the same time saying there is good chance it may not work, but we need to do something soooooo......lets throw billions at stuff that will never stimulate the economy.

How is it that a number of them came forward and said they liked at least parts of it, but then within a couple of weeks -- and only after the neocon pundits went ballistic -- suddenly its socialist pork?

The Republicans are going to pay a heavy price for not having the cajones to stand up to these yahoos.

 

[OrangeEmpire]

How is it that a number of them came forward and said they liked at least parts of it, but then within a couple of weeks -- and only after the neocon pundits went ballistic -- suddenly its socialist pork?

The Republicans are going to pay a heavy price for not having the cajones to stand up to these yahoos.

For the love of every thing holy, we agree 100%

 

[truefan]

No that isn't what you said, you said it was absolutely not factual.

What do you actually think about Holder and Ogden as AG and asst AG???

Do you think they will pull a Reno and fire all the regional AGs??



YOU need to stop trying to tell other people what to do.

FYI, I've made a living in the past as a military intelligence analyst with a top secret cryptographic clearance. I've read more on the topic already than you ever will in your whole life unless you perhaps intend to make that your career.

What do you think of Obama's plan to send 30,000 more troops into Afghanistan??




It turned out though that Bush was right, he trusted the advice of his generals in the field, wore the enemy down and finally a surge of troops was successful in finishing the job, more and more of the different regions of Iraq are able maintain order with the training wheels off, after the next national election there, they should be well on their way to going it on their own.

From my standpoint it appears that you are the one who is ignorant of history, from recent to ancient.

BTW, while we are on the topic, the behavior of the Democrat Party during this whole episode is reprehensible enough to characterize as sleazy!!

From Jay Rockefeller, head of senate intelligence going to Syria and Saudi Arabia months prior to the war and tipping our hand, to Nancy's trip to Damascus to Murtha back stabbing the Marines at Haditha, who were eventually exonerated BTW, to all the undermining they did throughout the campaign.

That was all cynical political crap to get more votes playing off of anti-war sentiment.

From way back in '98 when the "Iraqi Regime change" act was passed and signed into law by Clinton right up until the day we went into Iraq, democrat leaders were screaming for Hussein's head but the minute we did do it, they turned into total crybabies, Majority leader Reid even claimed we had lost the war at one point, thank God he will never be president.

(If you doubt what I said about the fact that Democrats advocated for the invasion of Iraq, just let me know, I have a whole file from the Congressional record on what democrats said!!)

BTW what do you think of our bombing campaign in Yugoslavia??? General McKenzie said we bombed the wrong side.

:lolabove:

That is your opinion and your interpretation.

If you can't admit he went into without a clear cut plan, then say so. Otherwise it is extremely foolish for you to affirm W's plan. Tons of people much smarter than you have said so. And I am talking about tons from the right side of the aisle.

 

[KB5252]

How is it that a number of them came forward and said they liked at least parts of it, but then within a couple of weeks -- and only after the neocon pundits went ballistic -- suddenly its socialist pork?

The Republicans are going to pay a heavy price for not having the cajones to stand up to these yahoos.

Had little to nothing to do with neocon pundits. Like they said there were parts they thought made sense and were good for the economy. There was far more spending on nonsense unrelated to the economy that they could not put their name on and endorse. This was a very easy decision for them to make. The fact that the democrats wanted as many repubs as possible to vote for the bill, when their votes were not needed to pass it, tells me that even the democrats knew the bill was garbage and did not want to on the only ones on the hook for this one.

 

[BigPapaVol]

How is it that a number of them came forward and said they liked at least parts of it, but then within a couple of weeks -- and only after the neocon pundits went ballistic -- suddenly its socialist pork?

The Republicans are going to pay a heavy price for not having the cajones to stand up to these yahoos.

who liked it? The smart ones have always advocated TARP if they do it right, the remainder of the issues have always been cause for serious concern, especially the Healthcare trash.